Re: Mailinglist migration completed

Hey Matus,

* Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[email protected]>:
> On 09.02.26 16:54, Patrick Ben Koetter via amavis-users wrote:
> > today we migrated [email protected] to the MLM located at
> > https://list.sys4.de/.
> > 
> > Thank you Charite for hosting the list all those years before.
> 
> Can we get access to that MLM?
> 
> Sign Up is disabled and resetting password sends mail that account is
> unknown.

it's a little complicated…

Short story: Unsubscribing via email should work. If it doesn't I will have
someone look into this. In the meantime please send a message to
[email protected] if you want us to unsubcribe you.

Here's why:
The new list server runs mailman3 (MM3). MM3 distinguishes between mail
addresses (simply) subscribed to a list and accounts, owning mail addresses,
subscribed to mailing lists.

At the moment all members subscribed to the amavis-users list are mail
addresses only but no accounts. Theoretically one could sign up on MM3, create
an account, claim ownership of a mail address and then do all the account
magic, but… MM3 accounts actually are Django accounts and the way the MM3
developers implemented the signup procedure there's no effective account
validation procedure. We don't know why, but about a year ago we noticed
$someone creating accounts without ever subscribing to the lists using randomly
created account names. When the number of these account had come to about
3.000 accounts we disabled the signup process, since we didn't want to risk
any abuse. Conversations with the MM3 team didn't really take the issue
towards a solution and so we decided to keep signup disabled until we find
some approach that helps us to remove the "bad" accounts and let's the "good"
ones remain enabled *and* a solution to tell if newly created accounts are
potentially abusive or not.

I wish we had a solution now but at the moment it is as it is.

p@rick


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