Re: Maia-users Digest, Vol 172, Issue 18

Ah, very interesting, I forgot about the MTA, that's something I hadn't
thought about since we default to postfix.

That info could prove valuable for any other site using maia with exim.

Jale



On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:19 AM Manny Marinho <[email protected]>
wrote:

> You're not kidding. Yesterday I thought maybe it was something in the
> spamassassin config but I didn't find anything there. Just now I was
> thinking maybe it's my MTA, Exim. Looks like exim added the following
> to the exim.conf recently and this is most likely it, I just commented
> it out and am waiting for some messages to confirm.
>
>
> #BEGIN ACL-SPAM-SCAN-BLOCK
>
> # BEGIN INSERT default_spam_scan
>
>
>   warn
>
>      # Remove spam headers from outside sources
>
>      condition = ${perl{spamd_is_available}}
>
>      !hosts = +skipsmtpcheck_hosts
>
>      remove_header  = x-spam-subject : x-spam-status : x-spam-score :
> x-spam-bar : x-spam-report : x-spam-flag : x-ham-report
>
>
>
>   warn
>
>     condition = ${perl{spamd_is_available}}
>
>     condition = ${if eq {${acl_m0}}{1}{1}{0}}
>
>     spam =  ${acl_m1}/defer_ok
>
>     # Always make sure cPanel support mail can get through
>
>     !hosts = : +trustedmailhosts : +cpanel_mail_netblocks
>
>     log_message = "SpamAssassin as ${acl_m1} detected message as spam
> ($spam_score)"
>
>     # add_header = X-Spam-Subject: ***SPAM*** $rh_subject
>
>     add_header = X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=$spam_score
>
>     add_header = X-Spam-Score: $spam_score_int
>
>     add_header = X-Spam-Bar: $spam_bar
>
>     add_header = X-Spam-Report: ${sg{$spam_report}{\N\n \n\N}{\n}}
>
>     add_header = X-Spam-Flag: YES
>
>     set acl_m2 = 1
>
>
> -Manny
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:10 PM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Curiouser and curiouser, maia is told not to alter the subject, and yet
> if a spam message passes through your system now, the subject is altered?
> There's a conundrum there, and I'm not sure what could cause a disconnect
> like that.
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:01 AM Manny Marinho <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes N for all.
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:53 PM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > How about the column to the left of the one that shows "1 for all"?
> Is it 'N' for all?
> >> >
> >> > Jake
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:48 AM Manny Marinho <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Looks like I get 60 rows back, first column show 1 for all, second
> >> >> column 5 for all and third column 5 for all.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:36 PM jjs - mainphrame <jjs-5OBBLe+cWrVYgzK/[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That shouldn't be happening, since the DB dictates that behavior.
> You do seem to come up with some interesting corner cases.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I see you're allowing all spam for every protection level except
> for high, but if everyone's on high I guess that's academic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just as a sanity check, you might run a query:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > MariaDB [maia]> select
> id,spam_modifies_subj,spam_tag_level,spam_tag2_level,spam_kill_level from
> policy;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On this db, they all pretty much look like this, except for the
> superuser account:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > | 28 | N                  |           -999 |               5 |
>            5 |
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jake
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:19 AM Manny Marinho <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thank you! So I've made those changes and re-started the maia
> daemon
> >> >> >> but I'm still seeing the subject being modified here's what I
> have now
> >> >> >> for those lines:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  $protection = array( 'off'     => array
> >> >> >>
> ('Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','N','N','N','N','N','999','999','999'),
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>                          'low'     => array
> >> >> >>
> ('N','Y','Y','Y','N','Y','Y','Y','N','N','N','N','N','999','999','999'),
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>                          'medium'  => array
> >> >> >>
> ('N','N','Y','Y','N','N','Y','Y','N','N','N','N','N','5','999','999'),
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>                          'high'    => array
> >> >> >> ('N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','1','5','5')
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nothing is set in the DB right now either:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> MariaDB [maia]> select id,spam_modifies_subj from policy where
> >> >> >> spam_modifies_subj = 'Y';
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Empty set (0.000 sec)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All my users/domains are currently set to high protection level.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Manny
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:09 PM jjs - mainphrame <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Hi Manny,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The option to alter the Subject line with the ***SPAM*** tag is
> in the policy table of the maia db, which can be modified based on the user
> selection of a protection level in the web interface.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > To verify, in the db:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > MariaDB [maia]> select id,spam_modifies_subj from policy where
> spam_modifies_subj = 'Y';
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You can set them all to not mark:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > MariaDB [maia]> update policy set spam_modifies_subj = 'N';
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > There's a legacy setting in config.php, that has maia modify
> the subject line when the spam protection level is set to medium, which
> needs to be changed if you don't want a user to inadvertently set their
> preferences to alter the header. We'll change it in the repo, since we'll
> just quarantine the spam instead of marking it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Your config.php should look like this, around lines 163-167:
> (Last column before the numbers is the subject modify option, it should be
> "N")
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >   $protection = array( 'off'     => array
> ('Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','N','N','N','N','N','999','999','999'),
> >> >> >> >                          'low'     => array
> ('N','Y','Y','Y','N','Y','Y','Y','N','N','N','N','N','999','999','999'),
> >> >> >> >                          'medium'  => array
> ('N','N','Y','Y','N','N','Y','Y','N','N','N','N','N','-999','7','7'),
> >> >> >> >                          'high'    => array
> ('N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','N','-999','5','5')
> >> >> >> >         );
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Apologies for not catching the mysql error sooner. We just
> hadn't seen it in any vanilla builds until ubuntu 18.04
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Jake
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:23 AM Manny Marinho <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So I finally got maia working on my new CentOS7 server but I
> also
> >> >> >> >> encountered this autolearn_status error yesterday while
> creating a new
> >> >> >> >> maia db which drove me nuts until I found this thread. I'm
> using mySQL
> >> >> >> >> MARIA DB. I simply pulled the new maia-mysql.sql script from
> GitHub
> >> >> >> >> and dropped/re-created the db manually with the the new SQL
> and that
> >> >> >> >> issue is now resolved.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> TROUBLE in check_mail: deal_with_spam FAILED: DBD::mysql::st
> execute
> >> >> >> >> failed: Column 'autolearn_status' cannot be null at ./maiad
> line 4410,
> >> >> >> >> <GEN8> line 3242.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> After many months of being down I finally have a working maia
> setup,
> >> >> >> >> thanks Jake and all others that assisted! One odd thing I'm
> seeing
> >> >> >> >> which I've never seen before is that for messages that are in
> the spam
> >> >> >> >> cache all messages for all domains/users are getting the
> subject
> >> >> >> >> re-written with ***SPAM*** and I can't figure out how to
> disable this.
> >> >> >> >> I see the purpose of it but I don't want to use it as it will
> cause
> >> >> >> >> confusion for my users.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -Manny
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:00 PM <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Today's Topics:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >    1. Re: autolearn_status error Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (jjs -
> mainphrame)
> >> >> >> >> >    2. Re: autolearn_status error Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (
> [email protected])
> >> >> >> >> >    3. Re: autolearn_status error Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (jjs -
> mainphrame)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Message: 1
> >> >> >> >> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:44:35 -0700
> >> >> >> >> > From: jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > Cc: Maia-Users Mailing List <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Maia-users] autolearn_status error Ubuntu
> 18.04 LTS
> >> >> >> >> > Message-ID:
> >> >> >> >> >         <CABkzw7w-m=0KiRvT=u2sMgEJWDOc+8d+-BvxbjWpp=
> [email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now the database issue is sorted, you'll find that maiad
> isn't able to talk
> >> >> >> >> > to clamav as configured.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > That's been fixed in the current install scripts, but  in
> the meantime you
> >> >> >> >> > can either edit maiad.conf around lines 393-394 to use the
> unix socket, or
> >> >> >> >> > run dpkg-reconfigure clamav-daemon to use tcp.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > We'd changed the default install to have maiad talk to clamd
> via tcp after
> >> >> >> >> > jumping through way too many hoops fixing the path,
> ownership and
> >> >> >> >> > permissions of the unix socket every time there was a
> software update. But
> >> >> >> >> > YMMV, as they say.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Jake
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:36 AM <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > Hello Everyone,
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > I've been out of the loop for a long while and decided to
> try the latest
> >> >> >> >> > > build using the install script on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
> Everything seemed to go
> >> >> >> >> > > along just fine and I am testing with a domain and getting
> the following
> >> >> >> >> > > error.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > May 12 14:04:59 maia postfix/lmtp[33612]: EECC1859E0: to=<
> [email protected]>,
> >> >> >> >> > > relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.35,
> delays=0.22/0/0/0.12,
> >> >> >> >> > > dsn=4.5.0, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]
> said: 451 4.5.0 Error
> >> >> >> >> > > in processing, id=21314-03, Take Action! FAILED:
> DBD::mysql::st execute
> >> >> >> >> > > failed: Column 'autolearn_status' cannot be null at
> /var/lib/maia/maiad
> >> >> >> >> > > line 4408, <GEN20> line 156. (in reply to end of DATA
> command))
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > The Maia server is at the head end, the user account was
> created in the
> >> >> >> >> > > web interface and there is a transport file and
> relay_domain mappings file
> >> >> >> >> > > to the recipient email server.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Seems like its something minor but A google search isn’t
> helping me out
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >> > > Dave
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> > > Maia-users mailing list
> >> >> >> >> > > [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > >
> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users
> >> >> >> >> > >
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> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Message: 2
> >> >> >> >> > Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 06:47:12 -0400
> >> >> >> >> > From: <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > To: "'jjs - mainphrame'" <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Cc: 'Maia-Users Mailing List' <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Maia-users] autolearn_status error Ubuntu
> 18.04 LTS
> >> >> >> >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > No biggie It’s a work in progress, its easy at least for me
> to wipe the vm and try a clean install so I will give it a go.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > From: jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:45 PM
> >> >> >> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > Cc: Maia-Users Mailing List <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Maia-users] autolearn_status error Ubuntu
> 18.04 LTS
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now the database issue is sorted, you'll find that maiad
> isn't able to talk to clamav as configured.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > That's been fixed in the current install scripts, but  in
> the meantime you can either edit maiad.conf around lines 393-394 to use the
> unix socket, or run dpkg-reconfigure clamav-daemon to use tcp.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > We'd changed the default install to have maiad talk to clamd
> via tcp after jumping through way too many hoops fixing the path, ownership
> and permissions of the unix socket every time there was a software update.
> But YMMV, as they say.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Jake
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:36 AM <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Hello Everyone,
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I've been out of the loop for a long while and decided to
> try the latest build using the install script on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
> Everything seemed to go along just fine and I am testing with a domain and
> getting the following error.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > May 12 14:04:59 maia postfix/lmtp[33612]: EECC1859E0: to=<
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >,
> relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.35, delays=0.22/0/0/0.12,
> dsn=4.5.0, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.5.0 Error
> in processing, id=21314-03, Take Action! FAILED: DBD::mysql::st execute
> failed: Column 'autolearn_status' cannot be null at /var/lib/maia/maiad
> line 4408, <GEN20> line 156. (in reply to end of DATA command))
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The Maia server is at the head end, the user account was
> created in the web interface and there is a transport file and relay_domain
> mappings file to the recipient email server.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Seems like its something minor but A google search isn’t
> helping me out
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >> > Dave
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> > Maia-users mailing list
> >> >> >> >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> >
> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users
> >> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Message: 3
> >> >> >> >> > Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:09:14 -0700
> >> >> >> >> > From: jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > Cc: Maia-Users Mailing List <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Maia-users] autolearn_status error Ubuntu
> 18.04 LTS
> >> >> >> >> > Message-ID:
> >> >> >> >> >         <
> CABkzw7zxbrrfu1udYRTGQ-qYbYTm-HkC8tuikn4L+ZSRUJLUUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
> >> >> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > David,
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Your feedback is helpful, thank you.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Jake
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:47 AM <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > No biggie It’s a work in progress, its easy at least for
> me to wipe the vm
> >> >> >> >> > > and try a clean install so I will give it a go.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > *From:* jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:45 PM
> >> >> >> >> > > *To:* [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > > *Cc:* Maia-Users Mailing List <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > > *Subject:* Re: [Maia-users] autolearn_status error Ubuntu
> 18.04 LTS
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Now the database issue is sorted, you'll find that maiad
> isn't able to
> >> >> >> >> > > talk to clamav as configured.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > That's been fixed in the current install scripts, but  in
> the meantime you
> >> >> >> >> > > can either edit maiad.conf around lines 393-394 to use the
> unix socket, or
> >> >> >> >> > > run dpkg-reconfigure clamav-daemon to use tcp.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > We'd changed the default install to have maiad talk to
> clamd via tcp after
> >> >> >> >> > > jumping through way too many hoops fixing the path,
> ownership and
> >> >> >> >> > > permissions of the unix socket every time there was a
> software update. But
> >> >> >> >> > > YMMV, as they say.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Jake
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:36 AM <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Hello Everyone,
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > I've been out of the loop for a long while and decided to
> try the latest
> >> >> >> >> > > build using the install script on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
> Everything seemed to go
> >> >> >> >> > > along just fine and I am testing with a domain and getting
> the following
> >> >> >> >> > > error.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > May 12 14:04:59 maia postfix/lmtp[33612]: EECC1859E0: to=<
> [email protected]>,
> >> >> >> >> > > relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.35,
> delays=0.22/0/0/0.12,
> >> >> >> >> > > dsn=4.5.0, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]
> said: 451 4.5.0 Error
> >> >> >> >> > > in processing, id=21314-03, Take Action! FAILED:
> DBD::mysql::st execute
> >> >> >> >> > > failed: Column 'autolearn_status' cannot be null at
> /var/lib/maia/maiad
> >> >> >> >> > > line 4408, <GEN20> line 156. (in reply to end of DATA
> command))
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > The Maia server is at the head end, the user account was
> created in the
> >> >> >> >> > > web interface and there is a transport file and
> relay_domain mappings file
> >> >> >> >> > > to the recipient email server.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Seems like its something minor but A google search isn’t
> helping me out
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >> > > Dave
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> > > Maia-users mailing list
> >> >> >> >> > > [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > >
> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part --------------
> >> >> >> >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Digest Footer
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > End of Maia-users Digest, Vol 172, Issue 18
> >> >> >> >> > *******************************************
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