Re: The state of maia in 2025

Thanks Janky,

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that things seem at a dead end.

As for upgrading my maia web server to php 8, that's a non-starter as it
would break the main function of the server.

The maia web interface is only available in my internal lan, so I'm not too
worried about internet threats.

I've got iredmail running on one domain, and it's nice, but it's pretty
monolithic compared to maia.

Joe



On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 3:40 PM Janky Jay, III <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello Joe,
>
> On 9/2/25 04:06PM, jjs - mainphrame wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > As a long time maia user, I and some others did some work a few years
> > back to get  it working on php 7. But I'm watching with concern as php
> > 7 disappears from the landscape.
> >
> PHP 7.x (7.4 as the last) reached end-of-life over 3.5 years ago [0]. I
> would highly suggest updating for security reasons.
>
> > I haven't seen anything that is quite as nice. I've looked at proxmox
> > mail gateway and other products, and am disappointed so far.
> >
> I've tried many other products as well while migrating away from
> Maia-Mailguard and the only one I did end up liking was Rspamd [1]. I
> use FreeBSD and wrote a guide for my setup [2] that you can likely
> follow using another OS/distribution of your choice.
>
> > The back end still works, as does everything written in perl. The only
> > problem is the web interface and its dependence on legacy php.
> >
> This is true. Only the web UI front-end ran into trouble. Although, I
> suspect more Perl issues will continue to arise as Maia's Perl code is
> getting quite old now.
>
> > I suppose that for now, I'll continue on with a special VM running php
> > 7 for the web interface, but it would be nice to know if anyone else
> > has been working on a php-8 friendly maia web interface.
> >
> I would again, highly suggest upgrading PHP to at least 8.2 to avoid
> security vulnerabilities [3] for the foreseeable future.
>
> There was some work done a couple of forks [4][5] that did keep Perl
> code up-to-date and the web UI working into PHP 8.x. However, that also
> quickly halted when HTMLPurifier went silent upstream which Maia
> required. I haven't seen any additional work to remedy this problem. If
> I recall, there was also a hiccup with the latest version(s) of Smarty.
> Again, I haven't seen any additional work for this either.
>
> I certainly hope you find a feasible replacement for Maia-Mailguard
> since the project appears to be all but dead and PHP 7.x is crazy
> dangerous to run these days especially if it's exposed to the public.
> Best of luck!
>
> [0] https://www.php.net/supported-versions.php
> [1] https://github.com/rspamd/rspamd
> [2] https://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=1450
> [3] https://security.snyk.io/package/linux/debian:11/php7.4
> [4] https://github.com/technion/maia_mailguard
> [5] https://github.com/einheit/maia_mailguard_1.05
>
> Regards,
> Janky Jay, III
>
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