Re: Death penalty

> Of course, as that's precisely what it is. It serves no useful social
> purpose, neither as a deterrent nor as an implementation of justice.
>
> ***I will never understand that attitude.

It's not an "attitude," it's a fact. Just because you don't like a
fact, that doesn't make it subjective.

**oh bullshit.  It is not a fact at all, it is a theory and an ideology.
Unless you and I are in really distant places aboput what a fact is....


> Sure, let's make the standard that if
> you kill, you get to be fed and housed forever.

It's not the humanitarian feeding and housing that acts a deterrent,
it's the incarceration, reduction of rights, and limitations of
freedom. Acting like animals doesn't contribute to solution, it only
perpetuates the problem.

**sure, imprisonment is a deterrent, see how well it has stopped drug
crimes?


> *** the biggest block to it providing deterrence is really the fact that
it is
> not a realistic punishment with the decades of appeals and legal bs.

I wonder how realistic it seemed to the 45 murdered by the state so
far this year.

**sad.  Just sad.


> ***But I will say that if the only thing it actually deters is one bastard
from
> killing again, it is fine with me.

That's a reprehensible and offensive position.


***yea, preventing innocents from being murdered is so damn digusting.


 If murdering a human is
worth the prevention of a further murder, 

***you really love the word murder....god.  were you sitting with Cindy
Sheehan when she said Bush murdered Casey?


then anything less would be,
as well, no? Should we torture convicted killers on television? Peel
their skin from their bones with live commentary, emphasizing how
unacceptable it is to kill people?


> **So justice is truly hollow?

Justice is what it is. Assigning values to it is unhelpful and irrelevant.

**Killing a murderer is justice.  The bible says so.


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