Re: Death penalty

>>> **oh bullshit.  It is not a fact at all, it is a theory and an ideology.
>>> Unless you and I are in really distant places aboput what a fact is....
>
> Oh, really? Murder has ceased in area where capital punoshment is in effect?
> I wasnt aware of that.
>
> ***yea!  Strawman alert!  No one said it prevented ALL murders. But that is
> not the same being a preventative factor, is it?

When you change the language of your argument like that, it becomes
rather easy to wriggle out of tight spots, doesn't it?

***dude.  I changed NOTHING.  I have never yet made the case that capital
punishment would prevent all murderers.  Do not blame me for your strawman.

If you're now
going to say that the death penalty is a "preventative factor," I'll
concede your point. So is life imprisonment. I prefer the civilized
option.


***Again with the pejorative terms.


> I'm talking about the thousands of years of evidence which shows that
> capital punishment doesn't prevent murder.
>
> **totally?  Nope, and good thing that neither Mike or I have made that
> claim.

So if revenge doesn't *work,* why do you support it?

***I don’t support revenge, I support a just punishment of a crime committed.
Again with the strawman.


>> Indeed, see how well the death penalty has stopped murder?
>>
>> **It has I have read studies that prove it.  And you have likely read them
>> that prove opposite.  Meaning the issue is in doubtr, or is likely tainted
>> bt predisposition.
>
> It has? Well, please link to those studies. I'd be pleased to review them.
>
> **dig em up tomorrow.  Or google it, if you actually care about the answer.

I've already done my homework. I'm not going to do yours for you.

**ditto.  And if you have never seen tehw studies on the opposite side, then you
obviously have not.


> Frankly why bother linking when you have your mind made up.

Because if you're going to appeal to these studies, you have to
produce them. That's how it works.

***

> What is sad about me? The fact that I give a shit about the 45 people
> who've been murdered this year? That's sad to you, is it?
>
> **no, the fact you dump such stupid rhetoric with a straight face.

Here's what just happened: You said the death penalty isn't a
"realistic punishment." I pointed out that 45 people have received it
this year, and it probably seemed pretty realistic to them.

***you ignored my context.


Instead of
addressing that point, you decided to pick on my choice of words.
Unless you actually address the point, I'm going to take it as a
concession.


***take it anyway you want it, I concede nothing.  If you ignore the context you
can do anything you want.


> **To equate murder with execution is boggling.

There is no distinction between the two except the one we've made up.
Like when a kid insists he didn't *steal* the bicycle, he was only
*borrowing* it.


***oh but there is, there is a huge amount of difference, you just are ignoring
it.

> Well, that's a marvelous story. I'm not sure what it has to do with
> anything we're talking about, but if it distracts you from the issue
> at hand, fair enough.
>
> **self defense prevents murder.

Uh, okay. Were we debating the merits of self-defense?

***you demanded I show one legitimate way to prevent murder.  I did.  :)

> **No I am tired of you judging me as contemptible.

Well, stop being contemptible, then.  ;)

Seriously, I find your position contemptible. I find killing people
contemptible, and I find religious justification of killing
*particularly* contemptible.

***And by proxy you find those who ascribe to that contemptible.

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