Re: Death penalty

> Do not blame me for your strawman.

I'm putting a moratorium on "straw man." You're using it like a "Get
Out of Jail Free" card, and I'm beginning to suspect you don't even
know what it means.

> If you're now
> going to say that the death penalty is a "preventative factor," I'll
> concede your point. So is life imprisonment. I prefer the civilized
> option.
>
> ***Again with the pejorative terms.

*Implied* pejorative terms, but yes. I believe killing people is
uncivilized behavior.

>> I'm talking about the thousands of years of evidence which shows that
>> capital punishment doesn't prevent murder.
>>
>> **totally?  Nope, and good thing that neither Mike or I have made that
>> claim.
>
> So if revenge doesn't *work,* why do you support it?
>
> ***I don’t support revenge, I support a just punishment of a crime committed.
> Again with the strawman.

Using a word that offends you doesn't invalidate the argument. Answer
the question. If capital punishment doesn't work, why do you support
it?

> I've already done my homework. I'm not going to do yours for you.
>
> **ditto.  And if you have never seen tehw studies on the
> opposite side, then you obviously have not.

I'm not appealing to any studies, so I don't need to produce any. You
are, so you do. This is basic.

> Instead of
> addressing that point, you decided to pick on my choice of words.
> Unless you actually address the point, I'm going to take it as a
> concession.
>
>
> ***take it anyway you want it, I concede nothing.  If you ignore the context you
> can do anything you want.

Which context is that? Here's the entirety of the exchange:

YOU: *** the biggest block to it providing deterrence is
really the fact that it is not a realistic punishment
with the decades of appeals and legal bs.

ME: I wonder how realistic it seemed to the 45 murdered
by the state so far this year.

Please point out the "context" that I'm missing.

>> **To equate murder with execution is boggling.
>
> There is no distinction between the two except the one we've made up.
> Like when a kid insists he didn't *steal* the bicycle, he was only
> *borrowing* it.
>
> ***oh but there is, there is a huge amount of difference, you just are ignoring
> it.

And that difference is...?

> Uh, okay. Were we debating the merits of self-defense?
>
> ***you demanded I show one legitimate way to prevent murder.  I did.  :)

Actually, didn't your story end with a murder? Oh, I suppose you
probably don't count that.

> Seriously, I find your position contemptible. I find killing people
> contemptible, and I find religious justification of killing
> *particularly* contemptible.
>
> ***And by proxy you find those who ascribe to that contemptible.

By proxy?

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