Re: Death penalty

Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.music.dadl.ot
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I> So "your philosophy is contemptible" is not personal and "good to know you
> value your
> convictions over other's lives," is personal?
>
> OK, please amend what I said to "your philosophy is contemptible".

<Happily done.  :)<


I accept the emoticon but just as happily will argue that there is no difference 
between the two.  In fact I think I'd rather you say the value/convictions to me 
than say something I believed in was contemptible.    


>>Then again, the person who "sees an apparent double standard" is also
> the only other person to have engaged in name-calling, which you also
> defended.<
>
> So its ok to say "You're not this stupid", but not ok to say "you're a
> hypocrite"?    Just so I know where the line is.

>Yes. Saying, "You're not [bad thing]" is quite different from saying,
"You are [bad thing]." About as different as they can be, actually.>

Saying "your not *this* stupid" is not the same as *you're not stupid*, in fact 
you could argue they have the opposite meaning.

I note that you raised the example of how to talk to children using this 
language.  I'd also note that none of us here are children.  I see/saw the 
difference but I really think we are playing semantic, and childish, games to 
split hairs this way.  


 
"...... but I'm willing to admit that I may have, at that point,
been overly-sensitive to the charge."

I think it just took you longer to get there than it did me.  No one likes to 
have their morality question or held in contempt and I'm just being honest when 
I say that was what was hearing/reading a lot of at the outset of the death 
penalty thing.

To be fair, I suppose my initial post on the thing may have been a little smug, 
but that is only because my morality is better than yours.  ; - )    

The other thing I need to do and wish that we all would/could was to imagine how 
you would take the same things said in writing if said face to face.  I firmly 
believe that face to face interaction, in most cases, mitigates what otherwise 
appear to be very harsh things.  I can envision having this same discussion with 
you over a beer, with you saying many of the same things and not being 
offended.  I hope you can do the same.  


Mike F. 

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