Re: Mr. Hannah Montana's Achy Broken Heart

>> **if he was so skilled at said navigation, then he should have known 

>> the peril.

> 

> You've missed my point, which is that he was evidently skilled in a 

> completely *different* kind of navigation. This "Hannah Montana" thing 

> was a whole different ball of wax.

> 

> **And you missed mine, that it really wasn't.  And even if it had 

> been, he is still the parent who let this spin out.

 

You don't think navigating the dangers of fame for yourself, as an adult,
would be any different than trying to navigate them for someone else while
they're in the process of transitioning into their own independence? Really?

 

**I am sure they are different.  But as you pointed out, he had an acting
career and he had a music career, so he should have been very aware of the
dangers.  Yes, I agree, no parent can be perfect all the time.  But he knew
what the environment was and not only did he allow her into it, he
encouraged her and jumped in right along with her.

 

 

> **In a sense I do too, but at the same time I also see this as kind of 

> self serving.

 

"This" being the interview? How so?

 

**before I answer let me re-read it and ensure I am not allow bias to affect
my answer.

 

 

> Yes, that was my point. "Hannah Montana" took it to a new level -- a 

> level no one could have predicted.

> 

> **They got exactly what they hoped for.

 

And how, exactly, do you know what he "hoped" for?

 

**they meaning Disney and the productions company, but now that I consider
it, how could Miley not have wanted a huge hit musical career too?  That was
clearly what the role was designed for.

 

Maybe he saw that his daughter had talent and aspirations, and hoped for a
family-friendly safe haven where she could get her feet wet. Maybe he hoped
for a manageable amount of success on the scale of, say, "Clarissa Explains
It All." You have no idea. Neither do I. According to Wikipedia, Miley
originally auditioned for the supporting role of Lilly, and it was the
production team who thought she'd be better as Hannah.

 

**maybe maybe.   And that is at odds with other sources that say she
auditioned for Hannah and was turned down for being too small, then spent
months aggressively writing the producers to get the role anyway.

 

 

> **pft.  If the show was designed for it, and that was the desired 

> goal, I would have to say it was an expectation.

 

If they had, why didn't they sign the cast to longer contracts? 

 

**Do I really need to answer that?  Why do all studios hedge their bets?

 

Why wasn't Cyrus given a record deal when when the show first started? Why
wasn't a Hannah Montana movie planned from the get-go?

 

**you are stretching bad.  Just because the studio wanted a monster hit does
not mean they have to dump all the resources into it when it is not yet
realized. But once it was, look how quickly they leveraged it.  They had
everything in place, all they were waiting for was the fire to light.

 

Yes, I'm sure everyone involved wanted the show to hit. But I'm sorry, to
say that everyone expected it to become a worldwide phenomenon on a scale
that no kidcom had ever achieved is just silly.

 

**you are confusing expected and expectations.

 

> Couldn't the same be said for any parent with a kid who is on the 

> wrong path? If my son started getting into drugs and alcohol, despite 

> my best efforts to help him avoid those traps, one could always look 

> back at choices I made and say I "enabled" it.

> 

> ** Sorry, details matter.   Did you smoke pot in front of him?  Did he 

> got the pot from you?  If you took him and introduced him to the drug
scene?

> Would you then be able to hide behind excuses?

> **they allowed her into that world and even joined her in enjoying it.

 

Did Billy Ray Cyrus smoke a bong in front of his daughter?

 

**Nope and thankfully that is not the point.  You are taking your own
analogy too literally and applying it to Cyrus.  Cyrus tossed her into the
entertainment industry and enabled her.  That is where she is at.  

 

**You used  your (hypothetical) son in your example, and that drugs were the
issue, so I applied the enabling concept to that scenario.  

 

 

You're making it seem like by allowing her to even get into show business,
he was throwing her to the wolves, which is nonsense.

 

**with the number of child stars who trainwreck outnumbering the ones that
stay clean, I would say I have a point.

 

As has been pointed out, Hilary Duff, Zac Efron, the rest of the Hannah
Montana cast (as well as the casts of "Zack and Cody," "iCarly,"

"Drake and Josh," etc.) have demonstrated that popular child stars aren't
destined to become trainwrecks, and I imagine the Cyrus's counted their
daughter as one of the smart ones.

 

**I am sure he hoped for that, what parent would not.  I have never said
that he wanted her to crash.

 

I guess the bottom line is that here's a portrait of a guy who is hurting,
an otherwise respectable guy who made some choices he wishes he hadn't made,
and who wants a closer relationship with his daughter, who seems to be on a
dangerous path.

 

**I don't deny that.

 

Why wouldn't one's response be, "That sucks, I hope it all works out,"
rather than, "I don't feel sorry him, what a whiner," etc. I mean, *really?*

 

**I didn't say I do not feel sorry for him, I said I have a hard time
feeling sorry for him.  And yes, in a sense I think he is whining.  He
should be saying everything he did in that article to her, not to us.

 

 

**Back to self serving.  The beginning of the article even notes that
concept:

 

"First Cyrus has an album of patriotic songs, I'm American, an idea directly
sparked by a trip to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2009, and for which he has also
rerecorded the title track of his first album, the story of the Vietnam
veteran who told him, "All gave some, but some gave all." 

 

"That is ostensibly why he is giving this interview-though he's just been
told the album won't come out until Memorial Day-"

 

So can you honestly say this has no personal motivation?

 

Beyond that, I will say that I am conflicted.  He claims he has made nothing
off of her directly, but certainly he has indirectly/  As her star shined so
did his, so while I admire him being so unlike some parents, I also see him
in the same category in a certain sense.

 

He blames a lot on her handlers.  Well, he is her father.  She started the
show as a minor, he had to sign off on everything, so in a sense this is
buyer's remorse of the worst kind.  

 

You loved the cake and ate it constantly until you realize your butt got
big.  Then you blame the cake, blame the fork, blame the plate.oh and
eventually you admit you ate too much, but it was still the cakes fault.

 

I do feel sorry for him,  But I feel more sorrow and pity for his daughter.
I stand by my comments.  He allowed her into that world and enabled her.  I
am glad he can man up to that to some degree, but this article is as much
selling himself as it is defending himself.

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