Re: UNCIVIL UNIONS

I live in Wisconsin, and couldn't be more excited about what's going on
here. The Unions have held the government here in a stranglehold for as long
as I can remember. As of 6pm last night, that starts to change. It's not
Union-busting, but it certainly is applying a leash to the wild dog and
reining it in a little.

Johne Cook
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Richard Towry <[email protected]> wrote:

>  A few posts ago you were “pissed” about the union members “making more”
> than you.  Envy is envy.  Some of those union people worked hard for their
> *wealth* and deserve the right to pay their mortgage and their medical
> bills.
>
>
>
> The recent decision to extend the tax cuts for the rich was supposedly to
> create jobs.  Well, they had their tax cuts for the last **ten years** -
> shouldn’t we be awash in jobs by now?  Whose prosperity were they really
> driving?  Most of the new jobs being created now are at McDonald’s and
> Wal-Mart.
>
>
>
> As for not taxing the rich because they’ll move it offshore and hide it
> anyway... well, once all the union jobs are gone and the wages are slashed,
> the tax base is reduced too.  No one wins again.  Except the rich are still
> rich and you have a whole lot more pissed off, formerly middle class people
> wondering what the heck went wrong.
>
>
>
> In the words of Cheap Trick, “Hello Wisconsin!”
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Karl Swenson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:59 PM
>
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> Yea, but you know what?  I am bored with wealth envy.  Some of those rich
> people worked hard for their wealth and deserve the right to have it and
> pass it on to their families.  Many of those rich invest a lot into their
> communities and into businesses creating jobs.
>
>
>
> Even the useless rich, the media and sports starts actually stimulate their
> industries.  All the maney may sit in a pile in thei pocket, but it still
> helps drive other prosperity.
>
>
>
> And the other factoid is that if you raise their rates, you gain a year or
> two (if that long) before they either are not rich any more, or they find
> ways to move it offshore/hide it.
>
>
>
> At that point, no one wins.   Either way the money is gone from the tax
> rolls and gone from the economy.  Rich people spend and hire and buy stuff.
> Until they are either no longer rich or they are hiding their wealth.
>
>
>
> Unless you also use that short term gain along with strong spending cuts.
> Then in two years maybe you can survive without it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Richard Towry
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:21 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> I hear you, but when the rich pay more, they’re still rich.  Their pain is
> minimal.  What is being asked of the middle class is basically to give up
> being middle class.
>
>
>
> As for that bottom 46%, pay them a taxable wage and they’ll pay more
> taxes.  When they only have 1% of the wealth, there’s not much there to tax.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Karl Swenson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:16 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> But the point is that the rich are being pointed at as not paying enough.
> Since all the cuts they pay more.  I would like one liberal talking head to
> admit that.
>
>
>
> And maybe that having a system where 46% pay nothing is not necessarily
> good either.
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Richard Towry
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:14 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> Exit reply:
>
>
>
> When the top 10% owns over 70% of the wealth, and the bottom 40% own way
> less than 1%, it’s inevitable.  Pity the rich.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Karl Swenson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:28 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> Exit question:
>
>
>
> Isnt it fun that after all the tax cuts, the rich pay more in taxes now
> than ever before?
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Richard Towry
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:56 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> Replace all of my “OR”s with “AND”s then.  I don’t blame the CEOs for
> everything, but to blame the unions for everything is just as
> short-sighted.  Painting all of them with the same sloppy brush because they
> want health care and the ability to pay their mortgage, while insisting the
> millionaires and billionaires are somehow above it all, just doesn’t work.
>
>
>
> And when the ever-increasing concentrated wealth in America is constantly
> insulated from the tax base, requiring the rest of us make up for it, the
> connection is obvious.
>
>
>
> --rich (a greedy, parasitic, possibly unskilled union member)
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Karl Swenson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:29 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> Or..
>
>
>
> The CEO increases the tax burden on what’s left of the middle class by
> outsourcing most jobs overseas **because of increased demands by unions
> for pay wages which have destroyed the wage gap between skilled and
> unskilled labor, and unions refusal to share the burden of increasing health
> care costs**….
>
>
>
> You can continue to blame the CEOs for everything, but the fact is that
> greedy parasitic unions share a load of blame.
>
>
>
> And again, what has this to do with Public Sector unions?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Richard Towry
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:04 PM
> *To:* 'DADL (off topic)'
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] UNCIVIL UNIONS
>
>
>
> And not only does the union steal the cookies, he wants more, and when the
> tax payer doesn’t have any, he tells them to blame rich people.
>
>
>
> Or..
>
>
>
> The CEO increases the tax burden on what’s left of the middle class by
> outsourcing most jobs overseas for near slave wages (rewarding his ingenuity
> with another plate of cookies), takes advantage of loopholes and offshore
> accounts so his company pays little to no taxes (feasting on a crate of
> cookies now), pays millions to elect politicians to keep his taxes down so
> he fill his Olympic sized swimming pool with even more cookies, and finally
> takes billions in bailout money from the taxpayers and rewards himself with
> truckload of cookies dumped on his front lawn.
>
>
>
> And then, fat and happy, tells them to blame the unions for the cookie
> shortage.
>
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