Re: bin laden is dead?

I posted this on FB, but I am pondering: remembering the images of celebration in "some quarters" after the attacks of 9/11, and I wonder if there is any difference, humanly speaking, between "us" and "them." and what really is at the heart of the celebrating: is it the death of this man, of "justice being done," or something I haven't thought of yet? And are these emotions any different from those of the ones who celebrated 9/11? There is a commonality in mankind that we usually don't think about. I'm very torn about what I am seeing on the tube right now...

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On May 2, 2011, at 12:58 AM, Karl Swenson <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am kind of with Johne.
> 
> My initial reaction was "finally".  Does that me a shameful human being?  I
> can live the shame at being glad that an evil man responsible for killing
> thousands of people, responsible for changing the word forever with his
> hated and who is the totem for even more evil doers is dead.  Were he
> captured, my relief would be the same.
> 
> Now I am just brooding on the effect this will have everywhere.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Peter T. Chattaway
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:48 PM
> To: DADL (off topic)
> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] bin laden is dead?
> 
> On Sun, 1 May 2011, Johne Cook wrote:
>> Had my own Jeff Overstreet encounter tonight.
> 
> Shhhh!  We're not using real names here!  :)
> 
>>> @Jeff_Overstreet <http://twitter.com/#%21/Jeff_Overstreet> Jeffrey 
>>> Overstreet A human life has ended. Not an occasion for punchlines or 
>>> boasting. No matter who it is.
> 
> FWIW, I wouldn't say it's *not* a time for these things, but I *would* say 
> that celebration needs to tempered by a recognition of our common 
> mortality.  Death is too awful a thing to be celebrated full-stop.
> 
>> He then quoted Proverbs 24:17 at me in a tweet that he has apparently 
>> since deleted.
> 
> Wow, that was directed at you?
> 
> I haven't seen the tweet yet, BTW, but I did get a text message when he 
> posted that verse as a status update to his "fan page".
> 
>> I looked up the verse, and indeed, it suggests not to gloat when an 
>> enemy falls. But, nuts to that. I would have celebrated Hitler's death 
>> as well, and I am who I am, warts and all.
> 
> It's interesting to see how both the Bible and Christian tradition point 
> in both directions on this sort of thing.  In the Orthodox liturgy, there 
> are bits about how we should embrace those who hate us, etc., but at the 
> same time there are songs celebrating the gruesome death of Arius, etc.
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