Re: This is what scares me more than anything

Try this analogy.

I pay for a trash can to be picked up each month.  Let's say my neighbor has
a trash compactor.  The city decides that his being so responsible means
that he does not have to have a trash can, since he is so much more
efficient he can use mine.  And now that he tosses his trash in with mine,
mine is overflowing, so the city decides I need a bigger can, and charges me
more accordingly.

All so my neighbor can get an government sponsored atta boy for having a
trash compactor.  

Meanwhile, by the ton, the amount of trash at the dump is pretty much the
same, the only difference is that he gets free ride and I get charged more
to pick up his lack.

That's what Bruce suggests is *fair*.  I made a bad decision by not buying a
compactor, so I should not only not reap the benefits of that, I should pick
up the tab for someone else.

If I have a flawed sense of good and bad, then you two have a flawed sense
of *fair*.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Paul Christian Glenn
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:48 PM
To: DADL (off topic)
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] This is what scares me more than anything

Heh, maybe, but is it really preachy to point out facts? I didn't even say
Karl's sense of fairness was "wrong" (though it's easy enough to guess my
view), only that it seems very strange to me.



On May 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote:

> Now *that* was preachy.  ;-p. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 6, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
wrote:
> 
>> Such a strange sense of fairness you possess. Are you really so
bloodyminded that you cant bear the thought of anyone else driving on *your*
roads? Even when that other person is spending money to help make the air
you breathe cleaner, the gas you buy less expensive, and your dependence on
hostile nations less severe? So strange to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, "Karl Swenson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> 
>>> " If we need to raise transportation revenue, just raise gas tax 
>>> rather than try to implement mile tax."
>>> 
>>> Once again, punishing bad behavior?
>>> 
>>> That, is all I am suggesting is "preachy.  Owning a gasoline car is 
>>> not bad behavior.
>>> 
>>> Bottom line, I already pay a consumption tax on my gas.  I accept that.
>>> But, why should my gas taxes make the roads safer for the electric 
>>> vehicle who uses the same roads while he is also getting an annual tax
incentive?
>>> 
>>> Sorry, no.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
>>> On Behalf Of Bruce Geerdes
>>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>> To: DADL (off topic)
>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] This is what scares me more than anything
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mike Findlay
>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Even if I disagree with his, (to me), cavalier attitude about more 
>>>> govt spending.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh now, I was only being cavalier about it if my conditions were met:
>>> 
>>> 1. All transportation taxes are being used to maintain infrastructure 2.
>>> There is not enough revenue from said taxes to maintain 
>>> infrastructure
>>> 
>>> There is plenty of wiggle room in there to argue there *is* enough 
>>> revenue, it's just being used inefficiently. ;)
>>> 
>>> My main points (lost in all the preachiness evidently) were:
>>> 
>>> (a) I want transportation to pay for transportation. I don't want 
>>> govt to subsidize transportation from other areas, and I don't want 
>>> transportation to subsidize other areas.
>>> 
>>> (b) If we need to raise transportation revenue, just raise gas tax 
>>> rather than try to implement mile tax.
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