Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

Seriously, Thom I can understand why someone else, (don't know who and don't 
really care), figured it was pointless arguing with you about this.  You are 
denying historical, political, diplomatic, and practical reality.

Mike F.  




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 9:48:20 AM
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...



1949 and pre-1967 are the same borders.  And one of the big requirements of the 
Obama speech was all the things the Palestinian state would have to acknowledge, 
agree to and renounce.  This is hardly a gift given free to Palestinians while 
telling Israel to suck it up.  And yet, the reactions from the (largely) right 
leaning critics of yesterdays speech act is if that is exactly what is 
happening.


Thom
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http://www.cafepress.com/Thomwade
http://www.in-one-ear.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 9:41 am
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...


That's a completely different statement.  Saying that changes to the 1949 lines 
ust be mutually agreed to is directed a the Palestinians - IOW they must accede 
to them in order to have peace with Israel.  The 1967 borders are indefensible, 
he Arabs proved that by invading them.  Practically speaking demanding Israel 
o back to them is tantamount to declaring open season on Israel - which if you 
elieve what the Palestinians, Iranians, etc. have said, does result in genocide 
for Israelis.
I think Netanyahu's response should be to tell us that they'll consider going 
ack to the 1967 borders when we give back Mexico or all the land west of the 
ississippi.  They have far more justification for keeping their borders than we 
do for keeping our.

ike F.


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rom: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
o: [email protected]
ent: Fri, May 20, 2011 12:42:43 AM
ubject: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...
... My first time defending someone...
Apparently for both sides.  And Yes...Bush did support this:
resident George W. Bush adopted this same formula. In 2004 he gave
hen-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon a letter saying that the United States
ecognized that Israel would not return to the 1967 lines and that it
ould annex large settlements near its borders. But Bush also declared
fter a 2005 meeting with Abbas that U.S. policy was that “changes to
he 1949 armistice lines must be mutually agreed to.” Since the 1949
ines are the same as the 1967 lines, Bush was, like Obama, saying that
he old lines would be the starting point.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obamas-mideast-peace-gaffe/2011/04/19/AFyl0R7G_blog.html


hom
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----Original Message-----
rom: Karl Swenson <[email protected]>
o: 'DADL (off topic)' <[email protected]>
ent: Fri, May 20, 2011 12:07 am
ubject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...
So....is this a policy flip?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-speech-backlash-call-reinstate-1967-mid
ast-borders/story?id=13639200
"Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President
bama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were
verwhelmingly
upported by both Houses of Congress," the office wrote on Twitter.
Among
ther things, those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw
o
he 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major
sraeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines."

----Original Message-----
rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
ehalf Of [email protected]
ent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:41 PM
o: [email protected]
ubject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...
Well, I asked exactly what was so terrible about Obama's
peech...noting it was similar to Bush and Clinton who both agreed that
he 1967 border with some exchanges was the best way to go.  Israel has
ot disputed it either.  So what was so bad.  His response was to
gnore it.  So I asked for clarification about what was so terrible
bout the speech.  No answer given-except to ask why I supported the
enocide of the Jews.  I pointed out that that was a cheap shot, unfair
imagine if I countered a pro-lifer by simply saying "Why do you hate
omen?") and said I was out of the discussion.  His response?  Good,
ecause I clearly had no idea what I was talking about (in spite of him
ever enlightening me, merely making baseless accusations.  Then I
osted the same comment (naming no names) I posted here about my
urprise that the proper response to sincere questions being accused of
upporting Jewish Genocide.
His response? To call me an idiot and STILL not offer a defense of his
easons.  Oh, and call me out for mis-spelling Israel.
It was just to much and his unwillingness to dialog thoughtfully, as we
ave in the past made me decide it was time to axe him.
Thom
ttp://thomwade.wordpress.com/
ttp://www.cafepress.com/Thomwade
ttp://www.in-one-ear.com
______________________________________
I want a song to learn and sing, of a life requited."-Echo & the
unnymen

----Original Message-----
rom: Johne Cook <[email protected]>
o: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
ent: Thu, May 19, 2011 10:13 pm
ubject: Re: [DADL-OT] Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...
Do tell! What provoked you to the Unfriending ban hammer? (Not that I
aven't considered it myself - I've hidden people's posts, which is like
nfriending without the vitriol. If anything, it's worse, because the
idden
erson doesn't know their precious posts are hitting a hidden
orcefield and
ropping anonymously, silently into the soulless ether.
So, yeah - what's the story?  ; )
Johne Cook
http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*


n Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:44 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 9:32 pm
Subject: Wow... My first time defending someone...

On facebook...And it was one of the last people I ever expected.

I thought for sure it would be the guy who defriendedJohne.  :)

Thom
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http://www.cafepress.com/Thomwade
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