Re: Marine killed in his own home
Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
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If you're calling me a sheep, I'd ask why I'm a sheep for subscribing to a different ideology than yours. You're just following someone else's lead, sir. At any rate, if this fella didn't own a gun that he intended threaten others with, he'd still be alive. On May 27, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote: > Baaaa, baaaaa, baaaaa > > Mike F. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]> > To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:19:00 PM > Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home > > IIRC we got into a fairly heated debate about this last year, but... :) > > It all boils down to the stupidity of the deceased. As a rule, peiple who come > out slowly with their hands up don't get shot. People who grab shotguns do. We > can debate the righteousness of this, but that's how it is. I won't say this guy > "deserved" to get shot, but thise who live by the sword... > > > > On May 27, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> "Vanessa Guerena says she heard noise outside their home about 9 a.m. >> Thursday and woke her husband who had just gone to bed after working a >> 12-hour shift at the Asarco Mine, she said. There were no sirens or shouts >> of "police," she said." >> >>> The helmet cam video clearly disputes that.< >> >> >> There was 8-10 seconds of siren moments before the raid. Police siren, car >> alarm? I lived in lousy neighborhood for awhile a number of years ago - police >> >> sirens were routine and we never thought anything about them. >> >> >> Shouts of police? The camera/mic is a ways away so it is hard to say for sure > >> what was said by the cops at the door, but "clearly disputes that" ain't clear > >> at all. Apparently the neighbors don't recall hearing a siren, which is >> completely understandable if you have ever lived in a marginal neighborhood. >> >> >> http://www.theagitator.com/2011/05/26/video-of-the-pima-county-swat-raid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+radleybalko+%28The+Agitator%29 >> 9 >> >> >> >>> I speak in no way of justifying the raid or his death. But one initial >> thought is that with sirens blaring outside and police identifying >> themselves loudly, it is an act of stupidity to arm yourself. < >> >> They weren't identifying themselves loudly immediately before entering. There > >> sure wasn't any shouting going on. When you are in your own home doing nothing >> >> illegal you have every right in the world to arm yourself if you feel >> threatened. Assholes wearing a badge does not deprive you of that basic >> right. >> >> Note he didn't come out shooting and there isn't even evidence that he pointed > >> the weapon at the pigs. >> >> >> >>> I also want to point out that fact he had not shot and the gun was on safety >> is not relevant, nor is his being a Marine. That fact he was holding it did >> make him a threat and in many other settings if a police officer saw a man >> holding a weapon there would be justification for deadly force.< >> >> No it wouldn't. Holding a weapon is not an absolute justification for deadly >> force. Deadly force has to be proportionate and it wasn't. 71 shots to none, > >> into a home with possible unarmed occupants, including shots fired blindly by >> some cowboy pig is not justifiable deadly force. >> >> >>> The real issue we should be debating is why his home was selected for a raid >> in the first place, because that element is the primary point of failure if >> he had no drugs or money. In almost all of the cases I have been reading >> about that has been a huge factor.< >> >> That isn't the "real" issue we should be debating, it just adds to the >> despicable conduct of these jackbooted thugs. Not only did they act >> murderously, they are entirely without any excuse. >> >> >> http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/22/jose-guerena-evidence-dont-buy >> >> >> Mike F. >> -- >> dadl-ot mailing list >> http://mail.thehood.us/mailman/listinfo/dadl-ot_thehood.us >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.music.dadl.ot > > -- > dadl-ot mailing list > http://mail.thehood.us/mailman/listinfo/dadl-ot_thehood.us > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.music.dadl.ot > -- > dadl-ot mailing list > http://mail.thehood.us/mailman/listinfo/dadl-ot_thehood.us > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.music.dadl.ot -- dadl-ot mailing list http://mail.thehood.us/mailman/listinfo/dadl-ot_thehood.us http://news.gmane.org/gmane.music.dadl.ot