Re: Marine killed in his own home

To answer the question you posed, yes. If you fear that your home is being broken into and your reaction is pick up a shotgun, then, yes, you are making a decision to oppose violence with violence (or, at the very least, with the threat of violence). 

If you do that, then let there be no surprise when you end up a victim of violence.

Whether or not violence is an acceptable option for defending your family, well, that's a personal decision. These days I'm past the point of calling it "wrong," but I have no issue with calling it foolish. This story is an excellent example of why.


On May 27, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Johne Cook <[email protected]> wrote:

> I guess the question is, is the homeowner considered 'violent' if he arms
> himself with a weapon when he fears his home is being broken into. To my
> mind, if his safety is on, the answer is no. Furthermore, he was clearly
> more careful with regard to who he fired his weapon at than the invading
> SWAT officers. The fault here is all on the PIMA County squad. In my mind,
> they are guilty of murder, and his only crime was trying to wake up and
> protect his family. The groggiest I've ever been is being awakened shortly
> after going to sleep after working a long, hard day. The most violent thing
> about this guy was trying to wake up while his home was being broken into by
> the 'authorities.'
> 
> Johne Cook
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> 
> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>wrote:
> 
>> I'm adamantly against killing people, period. As I said, this guy didn't
>> exactly deserve to die, but he chose violence when violence was visited upon
>> him, and this is the result. Somebody was in the right, somebody was in the
>> wrong, accusations will fly furiously, lives will be devastated -- and in
>> the end it's one more guy who died with a weapon in his hands. One more
>> tragic symptom of a society addicted to violence.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> And a sheep to acquiesce to govt. intrusion, control and execution, (I
>> thought
>>> Paul was adamantly against the death penalty), so blithely.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike F.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bruce Geerdes <[email protected]>
>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:41:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>> If you're calling me a sheep, I'd ask why I'm a sheep for subscribing to
>> a
>>>> different ideology than yours. You're just following someone else's
>> lead, sir.
>>> 
>>> I think Mike was going more for a "sheep to the slaughter" allusion.
>>> 
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