Re: 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts.

Hey Brother Timmy, 

How true, how true. Yea, I got the typical 4K hz loss too. 

And just when dose the "experiance" become pain. At anything over 130db, that's where. 

You know what. There is somthing else I just cannot understand. Turinig up the juke box that loud. It's not a band. It's a friggin record player! What's up with that? You can't scream loud enoough for the person sitting on the bar stool next to you to hear a single word. It makes it impossible to pick up a lady or even hear the latest dirty joke from one of your pals. Hell, you can't even order a shot and a beer!  I just don't understand it. Might as well sit at home as be in a room where you can't comunicate with anyone at all. 

Steve

From: Tim Peth <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:16:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts.
>
>  
>Steve... I agree 100%. 
>
>We all know (don't we?) that when the volume goes into ridiculous territory, it goes there not as music, but as part of the "experience. " 
>But there certainly is a sweet spot somewhere (ignored, usually) where the volume and the music itself rings most true.
>
>Many years ago I played with a guy whose band is now, last I heard, in the Guinness book as World's Loudest Band. 
>
>Speaking of hearing, I'm clinically deaf in one ear, that being the one closest to the drummer I played with for years -- he was damn damn damn damn good. But he was also damn loud.
>
>--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts.
>> To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com
>> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:51 PM
>> On time and On Target, Mark.
>> 
>> i gusee it is also a case of just how loud do you want the
>> band to get? Today I see some of the biggest cases of
>> overkill on record.
>> 
>> At one time even if you were REALLY rich the best you
>> had was a 50 Watt Bogan PA with 2 EV collumns containing
>> 6-8" speakers and that was ONLY for the vocals. You didn't
>> mic or DI anything and each instrument had ONE amp,
>> Yet all us old timers  can tell you about haveing the
>> owners tell us to turn down a half a dozen time
>> a night even in a room of 500.  Remember even a B3 only
>> had only somthing like 35 watts on the Leslie!
>> 
>> Is it necessary, or even desirable to push out 135db 30
>> feet away from the stage? Your ears clip and flat top the
>> sound WAY before that level. 
>> 
>> I think it was a monkey see, monkey do. If you saw Garcia's
>> wall of sound at a Dead concert with 10,000 screaming fans
>> at it, then some guys back then thouht they needed the same
>> thing when they were playing the high school Gym to
>> 75 kids. It just snowballed and now is COMPLETLY out of
>> hand!
>> 
>> Later
>> 
>> Smokey
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >From: Mark Hughes <elkkid2@yahoo. com>
>> >To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com
>> >Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 5:04:23 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some
>> thoughts.
>> >
>> >  
>> >Hi Guys, I haven't posted in a while...so here goes.
>> >I agree with Mark monillas on his points. To make a
>> true deep bass TONE, I think the magic number is two hundred
>> watts.
>> >  If you don't want to do that, and are going to just
>> use the P.A.-- Get a high quality pre-amp, and a great
>> Monitor speaker! Use a buss to get your sound in the
>> speaker.
>> > I have done many gigs using the line out of the amp,
>> keeping that amp down low so it won't bleed into the mics,
>> and crank my monitor high enough so I can hear it--uven if I
>> back away from to hang out with the drummer.
>> >  In any pro gig, the sound man makes the ultimate
>> call anyways. He won't mind pumping you up in the monitors,
>> but if you're cranking your amp up, you'll bleed into all
>> the ,(Drummers), mics ruining what the sound man would to
>> do.
>> >  Same thing for drummers, I know it's fun to hammer
>> on them drums, but a pro plays pretty quietly, and allows
>> the sound man to make it sound like he's Hammering them!
>> >
>> >___________ _ _________ _________ __
>> >From: mark monillas <alembic4@yahoo. com>
>> >To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com
>> >Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:49:02 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some
>> thoughts.
>> >
>> >  
>> >Mr. Chairman.... ...Distinguished Bassists.
>> > I mention this.. every situation is different. 
>> every club is different, amount of bodies enjoying/absorbing
>> the sound is different. Flooring may be different.  soooo i
>> recommend a minimium of 200 watts. efficient speakers. 
>> like JBL D140's  SHOULD be able to handle a small room.
>> even 4-10 if efficient speakers are used should handle
>> this.  NOW.. the real part of the equation is what your
>> going up against. If you have Ginger Baker, or some similar
>> type drummer, with an Eric Clapton and a full marshall stack
>> w/100 watts, your going to need something larger!!
>> >i have 2/3 rigs.. 1. a SWR workingmans 15,  2. my rack
>> with a QSC RMS850, AND a furman Bi-amp module., SWR Goliath
>> 4-10 cabinet. 3. to really reach out and touch someone,  an
>> extra lows cabinet w/jbl d140  for low freq. and biamped
>> with the goliath running mids and highs. i've been playing
>> over 30 years soo i've accumulated a few things here and
>> there....... ......  now.. a crown powerbase1 might be a
>> nice thing to attain as well. just dreaming! 
>> >
>> >good cords do help,  i'm not much on a compressor. but
>> i've yet to find one i really like.
>> >
>> >Yo Victa, whatsoever you do, remember this here. You
>> can't hold no groove, If you ain't got no pocket !
>> >
>> >--- On Wed, 11/11/09, edackbass <no_reply@yahoogrou
>> p s.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >From: edackbass <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
>> >Subject: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some
>> thoughts.
>> >To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com
>> >Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:06 AM
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >Fellow bangers,
>> >
>> >Perhaps my attack is too light, but I can't possibly do
>> a small gig with a 50 watt amp. I don't know how you guys do
>> it. Is it just a patch cable that makes some noise? Is there
>> a super compressor out there capeale of boosting and cutting
>> miracles? Help a brother out with some feedback.
>> >
>> >My understanding is that Wattage doesn't always reflect
>> how loud an amp is. Some amp manufacturers rate wattage off
>> the lower point of the soundwave, while others rate off the
>> higher points of the soundwave. 
>> >
>> >While certainly within a range that can be considered
>> 50 watts, there is a noticeable variance. What do you guys
>> think? 
>> >
>> >Mr Chairman, I yeild the remainder of my time for the
>> distinguished gentlemen...
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