Re: 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts.
mark monillas <[email protected]> Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:48:24 -0800 (PST)
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ohh hey .. i saw a Eden Amp head that weight 3.8 lbs and puts out 300 watts......... model is WTX260 someone is selling it for 350. its small.. very small!~ then couple it to your favorite cabinet.. Yo Victa, whatsoever you do, remember this here. You can't hold no groove, If you ain't got no pocket ! --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Steve Molk <[email protected]> wrote: From: Steve Molk <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 12:38 PM No question about that, Smokey > >From: mark monillas <alembic4@yahoo. com> >To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 2:57:34 PM >Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > > >no but that being fed by a tube preamp, like SWR or Demeter, Avalon U5, or what ever else you can come up with i'm sure when coupled to a pair of JBL D or K series speakers would sound wonderful! > >Yo Victa, whatsoever you do, remember this here. You can't hold no groove, If you ain't got no pocket ! > >--- On Fri, 11/13/09, John LaPietra <john_lapietra@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >From: John LaPietra <john_lapietra@ yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. >To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:49 AM > > > >Anyone ever come across a vintage (guessing it's late '60's) tube General Dynamics 200 watt power amp? It was manufactured right in my home town of Rochester, NY (Home of MXR, Ashley, ART, Whirlwind- to name a few). I picked it up dirt cheap from a newspaper ad many years ago, and it still works, just as good as when I first got it. It has four 6L6GC power tubes and it was originally a rackmount unit, but the dude I got it from built a custom vented box for it with handles and a built in cooling fan. I used to use it regularly as a studio monitor amp (very warm sounding) until one practice, one of the power tubes blew and took out a recently reconed JBL K120... I replaced the 6L6GC's and haven't had an incident since. I was told that bands used such power amps for their "mains" back in the day (find it hard to believe they got by back then with such little power?) until bands like The Stones and The Who discovered the nuclear potential in >using > >Ampeg SVT's....... . I never really thought of using it as part of a Bass rig, since I have a '69 Ampeg V-4 (it has four 7027A's), but I bet it would sound awesome. Anyone even ever see one of these little beasts? > > > >Peace, > > > >AmPIG > >--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >From: Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 11:41 AM > > > >Love the old Dynacos! I thing they either directly or indrectly had a lot to do with the Ampeg Portaflex, They sure do LOOK a light alike anyway! > >Smoke > >> > >>From: mark monillas <alembic4@yahoo. com> > >>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >>Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 7:32:44 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >> > >> > >>my first amp was a dynaco mkII that my dad built when i was born.. 1956 - i still had it 12 years later, and converted to AND the eico preamp to take my bass signal and run a Stevens /Carlson cabinet. we put a d140 in that........ .... my dad also built the carlson cabinet. later ... like an idiot i sold it. but low and behold... years later after buttkicking my self for the longest time.. i saw a similar cabinet infront of an antiques dealer, that was priced at $10.00. > >> i had seen some modified cabinets sooo i did the same modifications to the cab i bought and still have it! > >> > >>Yo Victa, whatsoever you do, remember this here. You can't hold no groove, If you ain't got no pocket ! > >> > >>--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >>From: Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> > >>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >>Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 3:56 PM > >> > >> > >> > >>I got a VERRRRYYYY old Mac in my "stereo" (That's another term for home sound system from the olden days) > >> > >>I couldn't even think about buying another one....Like you said....Big, Big bucks. > >> > >>I even still have an old Dyna-kit tube amp I built long, long ago. > >> > >>Not only my stuff, but I am starting to think of myself as musium pieces. > >> > >>Smoke > >> > >>Remember the Mrantz equipment? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>From: mark monillas <alembic4@yahoo. com> > >> > >>>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >> > >>>Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:08:06 PM > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>ahhh .speaking of the Garcia/Dead wall of sound... MacIntosh another under rated power amp.. but extremely expensive... ......... .. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Yo Victa, whatsoever you do, remember this here. You can't hold no groove, If you ain't got no pocket ! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>From: Steve Molk <bassmansince62@ yahoo.com> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >> > >>>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >> > >>>Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:51 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>On time and On Target, Mark. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>i gusee it is also a case of just how loud do you want the band to get? Today I see some of the biggest cases of overkill on record. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>At one time even if you were REALLY rich the best you had was a 50 Watt Bogan PA with 2 EV collumns containing 6-8" speakers and that was ONLY for the vocals. You didn't mic or DI anything and each instrument had ONE amp, Yet all us old timers can tell you about haveing the owners tell us to turn down a half a dozen time a night even in a room of 500. Remember even a B3 only had only somthing like 35 watts on the Leslie! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Is it necessary, or even desirable to push out 135db 30 feet away from the stage? Your ears clip and flat top the sound WAY before that level. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>I think it was a monkey see, monkey do. If you saw Garcia's wall of sound at a Dead concert with 10,000 screaming fans at it, then some guys back then thouht they needed the same thing when they were playing the high school Gym to 75 kids. It just snowballed and now is COMPLETLY out of hand! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Later > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Smokey > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>From: Mark Hughes <elkkid2@yahoo. com> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 5:04:23 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Hi Guys, I haven't posted in a while...so here goes. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>I agree with Mark monillas on his points. To make a true deep bass TONE, I think the magic number is two hundred watts. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> If you don't want to do that, and are going to just use the P.A.-- Get a high quality pre-amp, and a great Monitor speaker! Use a buss to get your sound in the speaker. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> I have done many gigs using the line out of the amp, keeping that amp down low so it won't bleed into the mics, and crank my monitor high enough so I can hear it--uven if I back away from to hang out with the drummer. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> In any pro gig, the sound man makes the ultimate call anyways. He won't mind pumping you up in the monitors, but if you're cranking your amp up, you'll bleed into all the ,(Drummers), mics ruining what the sound man would to do. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> Same thing for drummers, I know it's fun to hammer on them drums, but a pro plays pretty quietly, and allows the sound man to make it sound like he's Hammering them! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>________ _ _ _ _ _________ _________ __ > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>From: mark monillas <alembic4@yahoo. com> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:49:02 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Mr. Chairman.... ...Distinguished Bassists. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> I mention this.. every situation is different. every club is different, amount of bodies enjoying/absorbing the sound is different. Flooring may be different. soooo i recommend a minimium of 200 watts. efficient speakers. like JBL D140's SHOULD be able to handle a small room. even 4-10 if efficient speakers are used should handle this. NOW.. the real part of the equation is what your going up against. If you have Ginger Baker, or some similar type drummer, with an Eric Clapton and a full marshall stack w/100 watts, your going to need something larger!! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>i have 2/3 rigs.. 1. a SWR workingmans 15, 2. my rack with a QSC RMS850, AND a furman Bi-amp module., SWR Goliath 4-10 cabinet. 3. to really reach out and touch someone, an extra lows cabinet w/jbl d140 for low freq. and biamped with the goliath running mids and highs. i've been playing over 30 years soo i've accumulated a few things here and there....... ...... now.. a crown powerbase1 might be a nice thing to attain as well. just dreaming! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>good cords do help, i'm not much on a compressor. but i've yet to find one i really like. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Yo Victa, whatsoever you do, remember this here. You can't hold no groove, If you ain't got no pocket ! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>--- On Wed, 11/11/09, edackbass <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>From: edackbass <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: [Bass Place] 50 Watt Bass Amps..just some thoughts. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: bassplace@yahoogrou ps.com > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:06 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Fellow bangers, > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Perhaps my attack is too light, but I can't possibly do a small gig with a 50 watt amp. I don't know how you guys do it. Is it just a patch cable that makes some noise? Is there a super compressor out there capeale of boosting and cutting miracles? Help a brother out with some feedback. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>My understanding is that Wattage doesn't always reflect how loud an amp is. Some amp manufacturers rate wattage off the lower point of the soundwave, while others rate off the higher points of the soundwave. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>While certainly within a range that can be considered 50 watts, there is a noticeable variance. What do you guys think? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Mr Chairman, I yeild the remainder of my time for the distinguished gentlemen... > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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