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Here's another plea of encouragement James. It's taken me 10 years of persi=
stent practice to get where I am with the Ztar. And I can justifiably say i=
t's been well worth it.=20
As Richard says, the Ztar makes the impossible possible.=20
IMHO, you shouldn't give up.=20
Regards,
Les Fradkin
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 9:02 PM, JAMES HARRISON [email protected] [midigui=
tar] <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> Thanks for the reply and encouragement, Richard. I haven't really=20
> decided what I'm going to do...
>=20
> James
> .
> .
>=20
> > Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
> >
> >
> > "richard brown" napravobg
> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20ZTAR%20FOR%20SALE>
> >
> > Hi James..As a life-long and dedicated Ztar fanatic and devotee ( and=20
> > I have 5 of them, including a Mini 12 Ztar )
> > I would look on e-bay. For example; Starr labs Ztar Z7S | eBay
> >
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | $ 1700.00 | |
> >
> > |
> >
> > |
> > |
> > | |
> > Starr labs Ztar Z7S | eBay
> > Includes: USB cable, Gig bag, start up CD, and Starr Labs PB-1. This=20
> > is a midi controller, can be used to contro... | |
> >
> > |
> >
> > |
> >
> > The Z7s is not the same as your model of course, but probably fairly=20
> > similar in original cost..
> > Look at the other older ztars listed which have been there for ages.
> > They are specialised instruments (and ones that take dedication and=20
> > lots of practice to play well), and therefore resale value is nothing=20
> > like that of a similar priced strat for example, because very few=20
> > musicians want to put in the required hours, and so the user-base and=20
> > 'prospective purchaser-base&#
> > 39; is many times smaller.
> >
> > This low resale value is not logical, because the newer Ztars have=20
> > much improved sensors, more comprehensive midi implimentation and O/S,=
=20
> > and faster and more accurate string response (if fitted with strings)=20
> > , compared to earlier models. In comparison, a strat is always just=20
> > a few bits of wood, some plastic, and some well machined, designed (50=
=20
> > years ago) and fitted metal. (and I own and play strats as well)
> > Similarly, compared to Chapman Sticks (which often increase in re-sale=
=20
> > value ) this also makes no sense.. Maybe Harvey should have made=20
> > bamboo or alloy bodies and necks for his Starr Switches.
> >
> > However, I can understand your frustration. When I got my first Ztar=20
> > it seemed unplayable (in any reasonably adept guitaristic-fashion anywa=
y)
> > The guy I bought the Mini 12 from experienced this also, and just gave=
=20
> > up and stored his brand-new instrument in his parent's garage for years=
.
> >
> > Then I started two handed tapping and the Ztar soon became a monster,=20
> > on which I could begin to play things that IMO make standard midi=20
> > guitar (and I still have Axon and Roland systems) sound very boring,=20
> > very limited, and totally tedious, (to me) compared to Ztar.
> > On midi guitar, I was limited to things I could play or work out as a=20
> > guitarist (in various tunings). On both-hands-tapping Ztar, the bar=20
> > and the possibiliies are raised infinitely higher.
> >
> > Of course, advertise it if you think you can't get any further with=20
> > it, but I would say personally, that's a big mistake, and that you=20
> > should persevere.
> > All Ztarists sound very different, and it's an instrument that you can=
=20
> > truly carve out a unique style on. (not easy on guitar with 10=20
> > trillion other folks trying to do the same)
> > I've been a pro guitarist (and pro midi-guitarist) most of my working=20
> > life, and for me, Ztar sets me free, and makes the impossible,=20
> > possible. (or on a really bad day, at least convincingly do-able=20
> > :-) good luck
> >
> > richard bg (Bulgaria)
>=20
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<div>Here's another plea of encouragement James. It's taken me 10 years of persistent practice to get where I am with the Ztar. And I can justifiably say it's been well worth it. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">As Richard says, the Ztar makes the impossible possible. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">IMHO, you shouldn't give up. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Regards,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Les Fradkin<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 15, 2017, at 9:02 PM, JAMES HARRISON <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [midiguitar] <<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>
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<p>Thanks for the reply and encouragement, Richard. I haven't really <br>
decided what I'm going to do...<br>
<br>
James<br>
.<br>
.<br>
<br>
> Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:<br>
><br>
><br>
> "richard brown" napravobg<br>
> <<a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20ZTAR%20FOR%20SALE">mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20ZTAR%20FOR%20SALE</a>><br>
><br>
> Hi James..As a life-long and dedicated Ztar fanatic and devotee ( and <br>
> I have 5 of them, including a Mini 12 Ztar )<br>
> I would look on e-bay. For example; Starr labs Ztar Z7S | eBay<br>
><br>
> |<br>
> |<br>
> |<br>
> | $ 1700.00 | |<br>
><br>
> |<br>
><br>
> |<br>
> |<br>
> | |<br>
> Starr labs Ztar Z7S | eBay<br>
> Includes: USB cable, Gig bag, start up CD, and Starr Labs PB-1. This <br>
> is a midi controller, can be used to contro... | |<br>
><br>
> |<br>
><br>
> |<br>
><br>
> The Z7s is not the same as your model of course, but probably fairly <br>
> similar in original cost..<br>
> Look at the other older ztars listed which have been there for ages.<br>
> They are specialised instruments (and ones that take dedication and <br>
> lots of practice to play well), and therefore resale value is nothing <br>
> like that of a similar priced strat for example, because very few <br>
> musicians want to put in the required hours, and so the user-base and <br>
> 'prospective purchaser-base&#<br>
> 39; is many times smaller.<br>
><br>
> This low resale value is not logical, because the newer Ztars have <br>
> much improved sensors, more comprehensive midi implimentation and O/S, <br>
> and faster and more accurate string response (if fitted with strings) <br>
> , compared to earlier models. In comparison, a strat is always just <br>
> a few bits of wood, some plastic, and some well machined, designed (50 <br>
> years ago) and fitted metal. (and I own and play strats as well)<br>
> Similarly, compared to Chapman Sticks (which often increase in re-sale <br>
> value ) this also makes no sense.. Maybe Harvey should have made <br>
> bamboo or alloy bodies and necks for his Starr Switches.<br>
><br>
> However, I can understand your frustration. When I got my first Ztar <br>
> it seemed unplayable (in any reasonably adept guitaristic-fashion anyway)<br>
> The guy I bought the Mini 12 from experienced this also, and just gave <br>
> up and stored his brand-new instrument in his parent's garage for years.<br>
><br>
> Then I started two handed tapping and the Ztar soon became a monster, <br>
> on which I could begin to play things that IMO make standard midi <br>
> guitar (and I still have Axon and Roland systems) sound very boring, <br>
> very limited, and totally tedious, (to me) compared to Ztar.<br>
> On midi guitar, I was limited to things I could play or work out as a <br>
> guitarist (in various tunings). On both-hands-tapping Ztar, the bar <br>
> and the possibiliies are raised infinitely higher.<br>
><br>
> Of course, advertise it if you think you can't get any further with <br>
> it, but I would say personally, that's a big mistake, and that you <br>
> should persevere.<br>
> All Ztarists sound very different, and it's an instrument that you can <br>
> truly carve out a unique style on. (not easy on guitar with 10 <br>
> trillion other folks trying to do the same)<br>
> I've been a pro guitarist (and pro midi-guitarist) most of my working <br>
> life, and for me, Ztar sets me free, and makes the impossible, <br>
> possible. (or on a really bad day, at least convincingly do-able <br>
> :-) good luck<br>
><br>
> richard bg (Bulgaria)<br>
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