Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes)

The library at the Eastman School of Music has a bunch of Cage scores (in
the M3s, i.e. collected works) that were issued shortly after he signed his
contract with Peters. That group of scores includes the Concert for Piano
and Orchestra and other works including (I would guess) Haiku. The page
size, I'm 99% sure, is larger than 8.5 x 11.  You might be able to get ESM
to make copies of these materials for you or at least to check on the
measurements of Haiku. I've copied the head of public services at the Sibley
Music Library, Jim Farrington, who might be able to respond and tell us what
next step to take.

Rob

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Philip Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Tim
>
> My copy of Seven Haiku, from which I play, marks a unit of 1/2 inch to be
> equal to MM 60. This is borne out, so that bars are of lengths 2.5 inches,
> 3.5 inches and 2.5 inches (i.e. units of 5, 7, 5, to match haiku). As you
> say, however, it does make reading the score very difficult and parts are
> indecipherable.
>
> However my copy of Music of Changes does not match Cage's measurements.
> Cage writes that quarter note = 2.5 cm and notates the score in bars of 4
> units. However each of my bars is 8.6 cm length, again making the notation
> rather small and difficult to read in the most dense passages.
>
> Thus my understanding is that 7 haiku is (frustratingly) correct but Music
> of Changes is a reduction in print size.
> Best wishes
> Philip
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ovens [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 26 August 2011 12:59
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [silence] Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes)
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> for long time I have been out of this list. Can anyone tell me how the
> search
> in the archive is working now? For example I could not find any entry for
> the
> words Haiku or Changes, but I am sure there are any.
>
> Are there any old editions with Seven Haiku or Music of Changes? I did
> contact
> Gene Caprioglio from Peters in New York, but he wrote:
> "8.5 by 11 inches IS the size intended by Cage.   Is your copy 8.5x11?  The
> height of the staff should be a tiny bit over 1/8 inch.  If it is, than
> carry
> on, you have the correct music.   If there are larger copies extant, they
> are
> wrong.   They should be ignored.   They were not produced by C.F. Peters
> Corporation."
>
> But in this size Cages remarks on the space and time make no sense. Besides
> this Haiku score is in parts not legible (e.g. no. 5), because the
> handwriting
> is smeared over by the diminuishing. How do you handle with this?
>
> Best,
> Tim
>
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