Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 0'00" is a joke...

0'00" doesn't last 0'00"--it lasts, like 4'33", for any length of time. I
don't see it as a musical koan. The actions are amplified, so there are
things to hear!  There's no paradox in that, at least for me.
Rob

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Richard Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Something that has zero duration is a physical impossibility, unless
> perhaps we're talking about quantum effects.
> That said, I always considered 0'0" to be not a joke, but a conundrum,
> perhaps a musical koan, equivalent to the sound of one hand clapping. And
> very clever.
> <R>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Vitor Rua <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> it´s your vision and i respect... but don´t agree...
>>
>> if 0`00``is a "part 2" of 4`33``... why should we do interpretations about
>> what is not there?...
>> what is there is that the piece is zero seconds of duration...
>> if he wants to say absence of time measure he can put (thats the correct
>> notation for that) a "O" !!! thats the sign for "no measure" used by all the
>> contemporary composers...
>> but its your opinion ... and its a valid opinion like others... like
>> mine...
>> best regards
>> vitor rua
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2011, at 22:03, matteo pittoni wrote:
>>
>> As the partition talks about performing an *action*, and we try to recall
>> the devotion to rational thought always showed by John Cage, I believe there
>> is no reason to think that it should last *zero seconds*.
>>
>> As for the reason of the title, maybe he used this to suggest the *
>> absence* of a time measure : thus, a temporal indeterminacy.
>>
>> In 4'33', there was a constraint on duration, but no constraint on any
>> action ; maybe 0'00'' is meant to constrain the action (which must be *
>> disciplined*) but not duration...
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Matteo
>>
>>
>> On 25 October 2011 22:38, David Badagnani <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Great discussion.  I can't think of any better use for this list!
>>>
>>> If 0'00" is not the duration of the piece, why is it entitled that?  From
>>> all this discussion, I'm still not sure I understand that.  Is the lack of
>>> time in the title metaphorical?  And is there not at least a hint of humor?
>>>  First came the white paintings, then the silent piece of 4 minutes and 33
>>> seconds' duration, then the very loud piece of no duration...it simply seems
>>> to be taking an idea to its logical extreme.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Badagnani
>>> Kent, Ohio
>>> USA
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Matt Rogalsky <[email protected]>
>>> *To:* Vitor Rua <[email protected]>
>>> *Cc:* [email protected]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:09 PM
>>> *Subject:* [silence] Re: Re: Re: 0'00" is a joke...
>>>
>>> OK, you pulled me in to make one more reply.
>>>
>>> On 2011-10-25, at 4:01 PM, Vitor Rua wrote:
>>>
>>> > oh pleaseeeeeee... not even einstein will think that this composition
>>> must be performed... unless they perform on a warm whole or
>>> something...theres no DURATION !!!!!
>>>
>>> The title of this piece is not its duration. The score instructions make
>>> that clear.
>>>
>>> >> think of some of the more abstract Fluxus era compositions by La Monte
>>> Young and others, for instance, which really are not really performable in a
>>> concert hall sense).
>>> >
>>> > I have performed almost all the pieces
>>>
>>> But not all.. because some cannot be performed in a concert-hall sense.
>>> Such as: "This piece is little whirlpools in the middle of the ocean"
>>> (that's from memory, please forgive if I am paraphrasing)
>>>
>>> OK, bye! That's the end of my contribution to this discussion!
>>>
>>> in friendship,
>>> Matt R
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Richard Friedman*
> Oakland, California
> *http://rchrd.com/*
>



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