Re: Re: Help with quote re I–VI

Yes, "butting" and "colliding" did not strike me as words that Cage uses
often. I'd forgotten about the appearance of "colliding" in the Duchamp
mesostics . . .

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Eric Theise <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> FWIW, in the texts I have:
>
> the only occurrence of the word "butting" appears on page 172 of Empty
> Words
>
>     "mayridinghim by the Silent hour butting charging bracing"
>
> and the only occurrence of the word "colliding" is on page 26 of M
>
> a utility aMong
>          swAllows
>     is theiR
>        musiC.
>          thEy produce it mid-air
> to avoid coLliding.
>
>
> "Syntactical" never appears alongside "phrases".
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rob Haskins <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Louis.
>>
>> After going carefully through I–VI twice, I've determined the quote isn’t
>> there. I think either my author is misremembering when (and where) Cage
>> said it, or that it was said during the time of the Harvard lectures but
>> not included in the published book. The closest thing is: "I think that
>> in these lectures[,] more than in any other that i've done[,] that syntax
>> has met with a challenge of some kind[.] It appears from these lectures
>> this is a way of writing which comes from ideas but is not about them but
>> somehow brings them[,] new ideas or other ideas[,] into existence"
>> (337–38). Of course, p. 2 contains the classic phrase "to explore a way of
>> writing which though coming from ideas is not about them, or is not about
>> ideas but produces them.”
>>
>> Since the words "colliding" and "butting up against" are important for
>> the point the author's trying to make in the rest of his paragraph, some
>> rewriting will have to be done, and I'm not sure if the "brushing
>> information with information" is the way he will want to go. We'll see . . .
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Louis Coppersmith <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't seem to find your quote, but Cage did describe his
>>> non-syntactical writings with phrase borrowed from Marshall McLuhan,
>>> "brushing information against information."   Check out MUSICAGE around
>>> page 51.  (maybe "brushing"="butting"?)
>>>
>>> There are also some similar musings along the bottom of pp. 14-18 of
>>> *I-VI*, but it's not the exact quote you're after.  Let me know if you
>>> find it!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Louis
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Rob Haskins <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone, I'm trying to track down a quote, possibly from I–VI.
>>>> (I’ve checked once and can’t find it; I’m about to check again.)
>>>>
>>>> “I used these lectures as a way of seeking out ideas—by the fact these
>>>> syntactical phrases are colliding with each other, butting up against each
>>>> other they’re giving birth to new ideas.”
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rob
>>>> --
>>>> Rob Haskins, D.M.A., Ph.D.
>>>> Professor of Music
>>>> College of Liberal Arts
>>>> University of New Hampshire
>>>> M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
>>>> 30 Academic Way
>>>> Durham, NH 03824
>>>> 603-862-3987 <(603)%20862-3987> (office)
>>>> 603-862-3155 <(603)%20862-3155> (fax)
>>>> <http://unh.edu/music/>
>>>> <http://robhaskins.net>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob Haskins, D.M.A., Ph.D.
>> Professor of Music
>> College of Liberal Arts
>> University of New Hampshire
>> M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
>> 30 Academic Way
>> Durham, NH 03824
>> 603-862-3987 <(603)%20862-3987> (office)
>> 603-862-3155 <(603)%20862-3155> (fax)
>> <http://unh.edu/music/>
>> <http://robhaskins.net>
>>
>
>


-- 
Rob Haskins, D.M.A., Ph.D.
Professor of Music
College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net>