Re: question re: The automatic minimum (see above) is two.

hans w. koch <[email protected]> Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:05:52 +0200
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dear all,

(i am a subscriber of the digest, hence i reply to the first mail in my =
inbox, but read the others online),

first, i am very thankful for all those candid answers to my humble =
question!

bills suggestion of a very literal reading also to mee seems the most =
convincing, though i also do enjoy the allusion to bucky fuller which =
andrew points out.
and the more =E2=80=9Cpoetic=E2=80=9D interpretaions (refering more to =
poiesis here) open up interesting trains of thought.

thank you so much,

best regards

hans



> Am 23.04.2018 um 14:40 schrieb David Miller =
<[email protected]>:
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> Hello Hans,
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> An interesting question, and I won't pretend to have an authoritative =
answer. What comes to mind about "two", though, is that the possibility =
of relationship arises when there are two. Relationship and then =
movement. Two eventually give rise to three, and then there's your new =
universe. So it may not indicate dualism as much as the minimum =
possibility for making a world.
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> But is that what Cage had in mind? Others may confirm or deny :-).
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> Warm regards,
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> David M.
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> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on =
behalf of hans w. koch <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 3:42 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [silence] question re: The automatic minimum (see above) is =
two.
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> dear all,
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> i might overlook something glaringly obvious, but anyway, i have a =
question:
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> in hs text =E2=80=9Cexperimental music: doctrine=E2=80=9D, cage =
writes:
> Relevant action is theatrical (music [imaginary separation of hearing =
from the other senses] does not exist), inclusive and intentionally =
purposeless. Theatre is continually becoming that it is becoming; each =
human being is at the best point for reception. Relevant response =
(getting up in the morning and discovering oneself musician) (action, =
art) can be made with any number (including none (none and number, like =
silence and music, are unreal]) of sounds. The automatic minimum (see =
above) is two.
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> now: what does that "The automatic minimum (see above) is two.=E2=80=9D =
refer to?
> in the paragraphs above the one quoted, cages seems to dismiss all =
dichotomies, notably the one between sound and silence.
> and yet here he seems getting back to that?
> or does =E2=80=9Cautomatic=E2=80=9D here reference a kind of reflex?
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> thanks for your help and insights
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> hans
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> "Now I a fourfold vision see And a fourfold vision is given to me Tis =
fourfold in my supreme delight And three fold in soft Beulahs night And =
twofold Always. May God us keep =46rom Single vision & Newtons sleep."
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> =E2=80=94=E2=80=89Blake, Letter to Thomas Butt, 22 November 1802. =
Quoted in Geoffrey Keynes (ed.), The Letters of William Blake(1956)