Re: Questions on mesostics and the software Cage used
Rod Stasick <[email protected]> Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:39:18 -0600
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--Apple-Mail=_9549CEDC-E03D-4AAC-801F-03B2708594B9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 (2nd attempt): Happy New Year from an arrogant academic windbag!! (see here: http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic/ = <http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic/>) Yup, I remember that thread. BTW: the beginning of it is here:=20 https://lists.virginia.edu/sympa/arc/silence/2013-04/msg00002.html = <https://lists.virginia.edu/sympa/arc/silence/2013-04/msg00002.html> and just press =E2=80=9C Thread > =E2=80=9C to scroll thru it. I may take the time to go thru that thread again, but the mesostic discussions I remember here=20 involved that thread and the =E2=80=9CP.S.: Meso=E2=80=9D one. I think that this may be the updated version of=20 the =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6Meso=E2=80=9D one here: http://peregrine.awardspace.com/programs/ps/ = <http://peregrine.awardspace.com/programs/ps/> In a nutshell: The guy from the =E2=80=9Cmesostomatic=E2=80=9D site closed his after I = mentioned=20 to him that he might want to read some more about Cage=E2=80=99s = creation of mesostics and make the adjustments to his software. He became overly angry because, apparently, he had spent an enormous amount of time creating it. IIRC, it was in someway connected to a University degree he was striving for. My impression was that he discovered that he was doing it incorrectly and instead of making the changes, he got really angry with me and took it down. On the other hand, Nicki Hoffman, who created the "P.S.: Meso=E2=80=9D = site, did a great job, but she misunderstood Cage=E2=80=99s statement about = picking wing words. She was under the impression that Cage just picked any words between the two Mesoletters and used them as wing words.=20 When I pointed out that this was not the case, I believe that she went = back=20 to her software and updated it to the page that I offered in the link = above=20 (it looks slightly different than the one that David showed in his = initial post). I haven=E2=80=99t used it since the upgrade, but she was very nice and = understanding=20 as opposed to the other person who had the tantrum. I=E2=80=99m hoping = that it works. I like Louis=E2=80=99 comment about =E2=80=9Cpruning=E2=80=9D the wing = words, because I seem to remember John saying something similar. The idea was to keep it to enough of a bare minimum to where it wouldn't lose its inner essence. How that can be instituted using a programming language may be a difficult existential question and=20 might possibly be the essential reason for Cage=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Chand=E2= =80=9D method. I believe Andrew answers questions here when he has the chance, so we may hear from him. Looking forward to your version David. Rod ************* Now Playing: =E2=80=8CGeorge Brecht, James Tenney & George Maciunas=E2=80=8C - = Entrance... (excerpt) from: =E2=80=8CFlux Tellus=E2=80=8C =E2=80=8C Last.FM: https://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2 <https://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2> Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/rostasi/ <https://www.mixcloud.com/rostasi/> --Apple-Mail=_9549CEDC-E03D-4AAC-801F-03B2708594B9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">(2nd attempt):</span></div><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span= style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></span></div>Happy New Year from an arrogant academic = windbag!!</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">(see = here: </span><a href=3D"http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic/" = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D"">http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic/</a><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">)</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">Yup, I remember = that thread. BTW: the beginning of it is here: </span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://lists.virginia.edu/sympa/arc/silence/2013-04/msg00002.html= " style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D"">https://lists.virginia.edu/sympa/arc/silence/2013-04/msg00002.h= tml</a><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">and just press =E2=80= =9C Thread > =E2=80=9C to scroll thru it.</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">I may take the time = to go thru that thread again,</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">but the mesostic discussions I remember = here </span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D"">involved that thread and the =E2=80=9CP.S.: Meso=E2=80=9D = one.</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">I think that this = may be the updated version of </span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">the =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6Meso=E2=80=9D one = here:</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://peregrine.awardspace.com/programs/ps/" = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D"">http://peregrine.awardspace.com/programs/ps/</a><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">In a = nutshell:</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">The guy from the = =E2=80=9Cmesostomatic=E2=80=9D site closed his after I = mentioned </span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">to = him that he might want to read some more about Cage=E2=80=99s = creation</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">of = mesostics and make the adjustments to his software.</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">He became overly = angry because, apparently, he had spent an</span><br style=3D"font-family:= MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">enormous amount of time creating it. = IIRC, it was in someway</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">connected to a University degree he was = striving for. My impression</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">was that he discovered that he was doing = it incorrectly and instead</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">of making the changes, he got really = angry with me and took it down.</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">On the other hand, Nicki Hoffman, who = created the "P.S.: Meso=E2=80=9D site,</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">did a great job, but she misunderstood = Cage=E2=80=99s statement about picking</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">wing words. She was under the impression = that Cage just picked any</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">words between the two Mesoletters and = used them as wing words. </span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">When I pointed out that this was not the = case, I believe that she went back </span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">to her software and updated it to the = page that I offered in the link above </span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">(it looks slightly = different than the one that David showed in his initial post).</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99t = used it since the upgrade, but she was very nice and = understanding </span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">as = opposed to the other person who had the tantrum. I=E2=80=99m hoping that = it works.</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">I like Louis=E2=80=99= comment about =E2=80=9Cpruning=E2=80=9D the wing words,</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">because I seem to = remember John saying something similar.</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">The idea was to keep it to enough of a = bare minimum to where it</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">wouldn't lose its inner essence. How that = can be instituted using a</span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">programming language may be a difficult = existential question and </span><br style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">might possibly be the essential reason = for Cage=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Chand=E2=80=9D method.</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">I believe Andrew = answers questions here when he has the chance,</span><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">so we may hear from = him.</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">Looking forward to = your version David.</span><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" = class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: MyriadPro-Regular;" class=3D"">Rod</span><div = class=3D""><font face=3D"MyriadPro-Regular" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"MyriadPro-Regular" = class=3D""><br class=3D""></font><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">*************</div><div class=3D"">Now Playing:</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">=E2=80=8CGeorge Brecht, = James Tenney & George Maciunas=E2=80=8C - Entrance... = (excerpt)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">from:</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=8CFlux Tellus=E2=80=8C<br = class=3D"">=E2=80=8C</div><div class=3D"">Last.FM:</div><div class=3D""><a= href=3D"https://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2" = class=3D"">https://www.last.fm/user/rostasi2</a></div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Mixcloud:</div><div class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://www.mixcloud.com/rostasi/" = class=3D"">https://www.mixcloud.com/rostasi/</a></div></div> </div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_9549CEDC-E03D-4AAC-801F-03B2708594B9--