Re: Questions on mesostics and the software Cage used

Rod Stasick <[email protected]> Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:16:29 -0600
Newsgroups gmane.music.john-cage
Message-ID <[email protected]>
	On Jan 14, 2019, at 13:17, David Bellows <[email protected]> =
wrote:

	The other point is that once you have two spine words are the =
wing
	words chosen randomly from all the valid words between them? =
Right now
	my software chooses up to 11 words before and after each spine =
word
	(meeting the mesostic rules) and then, depending on the option =
chosen,
	randomly chooses from those words.



If I=E2=80=99m reading your comment correctly, this was the idea that =
Nicki Hoffman had,=20
at first, implemented incorrectly, so I wouldn=E2=80=99t try doing that =
hack on your software.=20
Think of the =E2=80=9Cwing words=E2=80=9D as simply extensions of what =
has come before the mesoletter=20
and another extension of what has come after the mesoletter. You can =
also think of the=20
words as a branch of the mesotree that is just extended left or right of =
the mesoletter:=20
some are short branches, and some are longer ones - each keeping within =
the confines=20
of the mesorules. There are no breaks in a branch, for instance, where =
you can cut out=20
middle segments and so on.

An example using your words (and only the first two letters of your =
name):

=E2=80=9C...I'm definitely trying to be as accurate to Cage as I can and
especially so once he was using computers to assist the process...=E2=80=9D=


	 i=E2=80=99m Definitely trying
     to be As accurate to cage as i can

[I hope this lines up, but I think you=E2=80=99ll get it].

Anyway, if you look at the second line,
you aren=E2=80=99t allowed to pick and choose which words
you want from the branch. For example you can=E2=80=99t decide to say:

=E2=80=9Cto be As accurate as i can=E2=80=9D

nor can you say:

=E2=80=9Cto be As cage as i can=E2=80=9D

or any variation where you are choosing to jump around.

Also, notice:=20
You can extend your branches to varying lengths
as long as the words are connected in a string,
so with the above mini-mesostic you can have
either of these versions

	 i=E2=80=99m Definitely trying to be
                As accurate to cage as i can

	 i=E2=80=99m Definitely trying
     to be As accurate to cage as i can


My comment concerning the limits of the programming language
was more about how you can=E2=80=99t rely on the random number generator
to decide something that may actually be an aesthetic decision about
=E2=80=9Cwing word" lengths. Whether there are 7 more words or only one =
word in=20
the "branch=E2=80=9D is something that might better be decided by a =
choice-deciding brain.

hope this helps,

Rod




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