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I only use =E2=80=9Cprintable=E2=80=9D CD=E2=80=99s (& DVD=E2=80=99s); self=
-adhesive backed labels are just a nightmare waiting to happend. 1) if not=
applied totally centered, it may make the disk wobble as it spins and 2) A=
LL self-adhesives will dry out eventually, causing buckling of the paper an=
d possibly separating creating problems in the player and 3) not to mention=
that the paper labels can absorb moister leading to problems mentioned in =
2) ...
From: mailto:[email protected]=20
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 9:49 AM
To: [email protected]=20
Subject: Re: [tadream] Blue Room
=20=20
That's exactly why I don't like labels on discs. If it's something that ca=
n't be directly printed I'd rather just have a blank surface scribbled with=
a sharpie.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 12:47 PM '[email protected]' jimbo@freshbiscu=
its.com [tadream] <[email protected]> wrote:
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Turns out my CD did have a label on it, which might have accounted for it=
not working any more.
On Feb 13, 2020, 2:32 PM -0500, 'Peter Elias' [email protected] [tadream]=
<[email protected]>, wrote:
That=E2=80=99s why I have all of my Trees & Leaves as WAV files on a co=
uple of different portable hard drives. That way I can easily burn CD=E2=
=80=99s if needed or turn them into MP3 files ...
Peter
From: mailto:[email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 11:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [tadream] Blue Room
=20=20=20=20=20=20
My original CDR from the tree are all palying and verifying perfectly.
3 factors are determining the longevity of the CDR:=20
1.Quality of the media itself. There was some crappy stuff out there. =
Choosing and investing in a good brandname will pay down the road.
2.Burn-in speed, ideally 2x or 4x.
3.Storage. Avoid extreme conditions.
As suggested, backup is always a safe bet.
Cheers
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:22, M Bergeron [email protected] [tadream] <tad=
[email protected]> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF=20=20=20
While they're theoretically supposed to last ~50-100 years, experienc=
e suggests more like 10-15 years. YMMV
I'd STRONGLY suggest backing up a 20-year-old disc ASAP
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The door of a bigoted mind opens outwards so that the only result of =
the pressure of facts upon it is to close it more snugly..
-Ogden Nash, author (1902-1971)
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipote=
nt.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
--Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BCE)
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 10:06:54 AM EST, Dave Brewer deibu00@gma=
il.com [tadream] <[email protected]> wrote:
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How long are cdrs supposed to last? The blue room disc is 20 years ol=
d now. I should check my copy too. My only concern's been the disc label pe=
eling off.=20
Dave
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 1:44 PM '[email protected]' jimbo@freshbi=
scuits.com [tadream] <[email protected]> wrote:
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My CD-R of Blue Room demo has deteriorated- does anyone have a loss=
less copy I can =E2=80=9Cborrow=E2=80=9D?=20
Jim
Virus-free. www.avg.com=20
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<DIV>I only use =E2=80=9Cprintable=E2=80=9D CD=E2=80=99s (& DVD=E2=80=
=99s); self-adhesive backed labels are=20
just a nightmare waiting to happend. 1) if not applied totally center=
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eventually, causing buckling of the paper and possibly separating creating=
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problems in the player and 3) not to mention that the paper labels can abso=
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3D"[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:tadre=
[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 14, 2020 9:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3D"[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:tadream=
@yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tadream] Blue Room</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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,sans-serif;">That's exactly why I=20
don't like labels on discs. If it's something that can't be directly=
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,sans-serif;"> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 12:47 PM '<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>' <A hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> [tadream]=
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<DIV>Turns out my CD did have a label on it, which might have accounted f=
or it=20
not working any more.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV name=3D"messageReplySection">On Feb 13, 2020, 2:32 PM -0500, 'Peter =
Elias'=20
<A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<=
/A>=20
[tadream] <<A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email protected]</A>>, wrote:<BR>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;FONT-FAMILY: "Arial";COLOR: rgb=
(0,0,0);">
<DIV>That=E2=80=99s why I have all of my Trees & Leaves as WAV file=
s on a couple=20
of different portable hard drives. That way I can easily burn CD=
=E2=80=99s if=20
needed or turn them into MP3 files ...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Peter</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small;TEXT-DECORATION: none;FONT-FAMILY: "=
;Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT: normal;COLOR: rgb(0,0,0);FONT-STYLE: normal;">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma;">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3D"[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:t=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">mailto:[email protected]</A=
></DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2020 11:52 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3D"[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:tad=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tadream] Blue Room</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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;Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT: normal;COLOR: rgb(0,0,0);FONT-STYLE: normal;"><=
SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ygrp-text">
<P>My original CDR from the tree are all palying and verifying=20
perfectly.</P>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3 factors are determining the longevity of the CDR:=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1.Quality of the media itself. There was some crappy stuff o=
ut=20
there. Choosing and investing in a good brandname will pay down the=20
road.</DIV>
<DIV>2.Burn-in speed, ideally 2x or 4x.</DIV>
<DIV>3.Storage. Avoid extreme conditions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As suggested, backup is always a safe bet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Daniel<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV dir=3D"ltr"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN: 5px;BORDER-LEFT: rgb(230,126,34) thin soli=
d;" type=3D"cite">On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:22, M Bergeron [email protected]=20
[tadream] <<A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email protected]</A>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV dir=3D"ltr">While they're theoretically supposed to last ~50-100=
years,=20
experience suggests more like 10-15 years. YMMV</DIV>
<DIV dir=3D"ltr"> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3D"ltr">I'd STRONGLY suggest backing up a 20-year-old disc A=
SAP</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ydpb5c7123eyui_3_16_0_1_14554949=
43582_2516">The=20
door of a bigoted mind opens outwards so that the only result of the=
=20
pressure of facts upon it is to close it more snugly..<BR></P>
<P id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ydpb5c7123eyui_3_16_0_1_14554949=
43582_2528">-Ogden=20
Nash, author (1902-1971)<BR></P>
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God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not=20
omnipotent.<BR></P>
<P id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ydpb5c7123eyui_3_16_0_1_14554949=
43582_2531">Is=20
he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.<BR></P>
<P id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ydpb5c7123eyui_3_16_0_1_14554949=
43582_2535">Is=20
he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?<BR></P>
<P id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ydpb5c7123eyui_3_16_0_1_14554949=
43582_2532">Is=20
he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?<BR></P>
<P id=3D"gmail-m_-4875142184595629863ydpb5c7123eyui_3_16_0_1_14554949=
43582_2533">--Epicurus,=20
philosopher (c. 341-270 BCE)</P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Monday, January 27, 2020, 10:06:54 AM EST, Dave Brewer <A hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</A>=20
[tadream] <<A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email protected]</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>How long are cdrs supposed to last? The blue room disc is 20 yea=
rs=20
old now. I should check my copy too. My only concern's been the disc =
label=20
peeling off.=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 1:44 PM '<A href=3D"mailto:jim=
[email protected]" shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jim=
[email protected]</A>' <A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" shape=
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<DIV>My CD-R of Blue Room demo has deteriorated- does anyone have a=
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lossless copy I can =E2=80=9Cborrow=E2=80=9D?=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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