Re: DJB DNS trademark issue

On Wed, 27 May 2009, Roger Merchberger wrote:

> Rumor has it that Dean Anderson may have mentioned these words:
> 
> >... Raftery and
> >Weldon have posted together only 31 messages on the DJBDNS list, and not 
> >terribly clueful messages at that...
> 
> So? I've posted very few messages to DJBDNS; yet I've been a member in 
> long-standing (if more a lurker nowadays) and have posted & helped many 
> people over on the main qmail list... why are you singling out a single 
> list, when most people who run djbdns tend to run most other djbware as well?

Raftery and Weldon asserted I don't help anyone. They most certainly 
don't help anyone.

> And I've yet to see a post where you've actually helped others on the 
> list... so IMHO, add your own name to that list of individuals who don't 
> post terribly clueful messages...

Every post I make helps others. Recently, I've been working hard on 
helping people get honest services and credible source code for DJBDNS.

> >But in my defense, on 4 major controversies on law and the internet that
> >I either participated in or voiced opinions on, my views and positions
> >were ultimately vindicated.
> 
> I guess I didn't follow the thread well enough - the only vindication for 
> you I've seen has been *from you.* 

I think you are confusing the reporter with the source. Lets review a 
few controversies:

1 Controversy: Antitrust law applies to blacklists 
     Dean (and others) says it does, Vixie et al (Nanog) say it doesn't
  Resolution: Federal Court decided it does, injunction against Vixie.
     A fact that Vixie has to report on corporate annual reports in some 
     states, forever, if he is a director or significant owner.

2. Controversy: Communications Privacy law applies to ISPs
     Dean (and others) say it does, Vixie et al (Nanog) say it doesn't 
     (Vixie et al on Nanog agreed to disregard the law in 1996--fact
     unknown to Dean until recently)
  Resolution: Federal Court decides it does, follows same analysis, 
     uses same sources (congressional reports) as Dean

3. Controversy: Computer Fraud and Abuse Act applies to hackers outside 
the US that break into US computers. 
     Dean (and others) say it does, Nanog people say it doesn't.
  Resolution: FBI issues warrants, people are extradited to US for 
     trial.

Hmm, Federal Courts seem pretty credible.


> >I probably should have a page on that subject...
> 
> Maybe you should so it won't be lonely... [[snip]]
> 
> >Levine was also discredited on other mattters at
> >http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/People/JohnLevine/index.html
> 
> This _is_ your page, and you speak about yourself in the third person and 
> give no indication in the page that it's yours. And I quote:

The third person is used so that there is no ambiguity in quotes such as 
yours, below

> 
> "Dean Anderson has also been subject to threats of violence in several 
> cases and Anderson does not even engage in sending commercial bulk email, 
> nor does Anderson host spammers, nor permit spam. Anderson merely disagrees 
> with the claims and methods pursued by Radical Anti-spammers. Anderson has 
> merely advocated a high ethical standard of conforming to the law."
> 
> Something tells me you're rather good at getting others to threaten you 
> with violence with the tactics you utilize when posting to the list.

Oh, well there's a unique skill I can put on my linked in page: 'getting
others to threaten me'. Blaming the victim of uncivil behavior, isn't
it.  One wonders if you are really a civil person, yourself.


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