Re: [Namedroppers-honest] Brian Smith asks: Who is Dean Anderson?

Dinesh,

The technical credibility of contributions is a valid topic.  We discuss
contributions all the time.

As much as some people try to defend the cabal and/or silence criticism
of its credibility, they have no honesty and integrity themselves, since
honest debate and scientific inquiry includes a duty to fight
censorship. Those who collaborate with scientific censorship are not
entitled to presumption of honesty or good faith in their own claims.
Everyone has a moral duty to fight censorship, and those to don't, can't
subsequently claim to be honest scientists.  Amodio collaborates with
dishonest organizations that engage in scientific censorship, so he is
not entitled to a presumption of good faith or honesty.  When false
statements are made by such people, they are in bad faith and are
immediately dishonest.

(on Namedroppers-honest, Jorge Amodio disputed that Form 990 lists 
contributions)  I responded in part:

 >> the form is just the Return of Organization Exempt From Income
 >> Tax as required by law for a charitable organization and does not
 >> include any detail about the origin of the funds provided by its
 >> supporters, among them, Rick Adams.
 >
 > The statement above is false.  The 990 includes the names of
 > contributors and the amount they contributed.  Adams has contributed in
 > every year for which I have records. Last year, it was $1.6million.
 > The 990 also lists the compensation of the 5 top paid employees. Vixie
 > has taken $252,000 in every year for which I have records. This is an
 > outrageously high amount for a small corporation. Not even a for-profit
 > would pay so much of its gross income.  Some TV stations have taken to
 > exposing non-profits with 6-figure CEO salaries.

Amodio then complained of being discredited by facts. I wrote:

 > It is obvious from your false claims that you fabricate claims in
 > whatever way suits you.  I'm perfectly OK if you go hide in a hole
 > with the rest of your dishonest friends. But I'm not OK with allowing
 > you to make fabrications in forums like the IETF, on subjects that
 > affect the stability of the Internet.  Internet Governance can't be
 > abdicated to morons and the dishonest.  We, the honest and genuinely
 > credible, have a moral civic duty to stand up against that.

Similarly, we have a moral duty to make people aware of discredited
forks of DJBDNS.

		--Dean



On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 [email protected] wrote:

> Is it possible to stay on-topic please ? (seriously "Who is X?", "Who  
> is Y?", are absolutely off-topic).
> 
> Conspiracy stories and theories also have nothing to do this with  
> list. However perhaps this could become a successful novel...
> 
> Again, if forks of DJBDNS are flawed/vulnerable/not trustable/.., feel  
> free to come up with your own fork (and your own implementation of  
> DNSCurve/DNSSEC/whatever the features you want to add). I think this  
> is the spirit that lead to the development of DJBDNS and Qmail.
> 
> I'm sure that everyone got your point. So please break the infite loop..
> 
> Quoting Dean Anderson <[email protected]>:
> 
> > [DJBDNS list added] Inline
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> >
> >> > IRS Form 990 shows that Vixie gets most of his money from Rick
> >> > Adams, of UUnet and Worldcom fraud.
> >
> > The form 990 is correct as far as I know. It is the official document in
> > any case.
> >
> >> You really need to revise your histories and update your conspiracy
> >> theories, Rick was way out of UUnet after the acquisition by MFS and
> >> he had nothing to do with the Worlcom acquisition of MFS and later
> >> fiasco.
> >
> > The particular order of intervening acquisitions is irrelevant to either
> > the beginning or to the end result.  Adams is linked to Vixie by the
> > millions of dollars, and linked to Usenet personalities and to IETF
> > leadership as explained.  The money in the Adams Foundation originates
> > from the series over-valued purchases of corporations in which both
> > Adams and Cerf directly benefited; that money stems from fraudulent
> > transactions from which Vixie now benefits, but for which Bernie Ebbers
> > is now in jail.
> >
> >> You will be much more credible if at some time stop ranting and
> >> whining, and creating non-existent associations between people and
> >> organizations.
> >
> > My credibility is established by a long history of successfully finding
> > out the relevant facts necessary to resolve various controversies.  But
> > the facts speak entirely for themselves. You have no relevant facts to
> > offer which refute any facts I've cited.
> >
> > I don't know whether to call your effort at misdirection a troll or not.
> > But I am sure that your whining and misdirection won't succeed unless
> > its done without someone like me to refute your fallacies and smoke.
> >
> > 		--Dean
> >
> >
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