Re: Hi-bye..

I have been trying to respond to this message for several days now, and 
I'm sure I still don't know how.  I am glad to hear you speak up.

I found eb-lite when I was looking at ayttm, as I was looking for some 
simple protocol plugins that I might have been able to grab to start a 
project of my own.  I quickly tried out eb-lite and it seemed to be on 
just the track I wanted.

I have said I would do a lot more than I have, and I am sorry about 
that.  I am partly hesitant to go off in some random direction that 
someone (me, Meredydd, ...) suggests when I see things which look more 
important lacking.  I think we all want to go in different directions 
with this.  In addition, I find a lot of the code awkward, and I have 
written some of my worst code for eb-lite.  This all makes me unsure how 
to go forward.  I seem to be constantly hitting dead ends or paralyzed.

I've also complicated things by considering dealing with bitlbee, naim, 
and jabber, just to name a few projects which I *almost* (but currently 
don't) consider alternatives to eb-lite for what I want.

I have no idea where I really want to go with this.  I have considered 
branching the core just so that I can try different things at entirely 
my own cost, but I am sure I couldn't make much progress and keep a 
front-end in decent enough shape to have something to show for it in any 
reasonable time.

I am certainly guilty of being a zombie in the IRC channel.  I am all 
too often staring at IRC, but I often miss people when they stop in and 
say hi.  I don't think we've fairly discussed goals or many important 
topics in there, but I think it's a start to having some more direction.

Goals, to-do's...there's a TODO in the repository and bugzilla, but not 
much goes on in them, and I know it's not because everyone's done with 
what they want.  I don't know how to organize this.

Perhaps I could start by making a full list of what I want.  There are a 
lot of things that irk me that I just want to understand better or sort 
out.  Perhaps I should take a few weeks and try to make what I want 
instead.  No idea where to go with this...I'm still raring to go, 
but...I'm lost.

Cory

Karine Proot wrote:
> It seems we are a group of people with not much time to give to eb-lite.
> 
> Those days I am wondering whether I should go on with ebnc, or go
> hacking elsewhere. Please don't feel like I'm setting an ultimatum, I
> just want to express my latest thoughts and see what will come out of
> it.
> 
> I know I don't contribute that much myself. The problem is, I need some
> 'community-motivation'. Some kind of keep-in-touch, to know I'm part of
> a team going somewhere together. Then maybe I'm not in the right place,
> I only wander on what I though was the official project IRC channel, and
> we are 3 zombies here (well, on the hours I'm there). So far there is
> only one person talking with me about eb-lite: Craig West. Would I have
> really felt alone, I would have left.
> 
> I am not blaming anyone, there is no mandatory duty and I don't want
> any. If I'm the only one feeling like that (everyone has very little
> time to give and is happy with the way things are, contributing each bit
> when they can), then right, eb-lite is just not giving back to me what I
> expected.
> 
> I can't even answer questions like: why are we still in alpha? what do
> we need to get to beta? what do we need to get to release? is one (or
> more than one) of us ready to take the burden that making a release
> means, so the others could feel motivated and really contribute as much
> as they can, achieving goals?
> 
> I am about to (once again) rewrite the drawing part of ebnc, and this is
> a big task. I don't know if this is needed to be able to get to release,
> or if I should concentrate on features lacking in ebnc, or if I should
> try to make it work on more terms, ... you get the idea. Who do I turn
> to? I'm near the point where I think that what I'm doing will be totally
> forgotten in the end (it's not like eb-lite is the only IM application).
> I still do think there is a great idea behind it.
> 
> So, without any team-gathering (even if it was only a 2-hours range per
> week, but *something*) where we can all see who is eb-lite and where
> it's going, and without any release goal (like a list of must-do,
> should-do, may-do - but maybe I missed something on the website or on
> the list?), I don't have the will to give my little spare time to eb-
> lite.
> 
> Looking forward to your comments,
> Karine.
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