Re: Crashing?

Jonathan McGuire <[email protected]> Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:33:07 -0700
Newsgroups gmane.network.fire.general
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Don't delete your prefs just move them to a different location. That  
way you can rule them out or as the problem. If they are not the  
problem you can restore them if they are the problem you'll have to  
go from there.


On Aug 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Ernest Phillips wrote:

> Wow! My biggest fear about trashing prefs is my lost of Nicknames.  
> I just let OS X do it's "safety boot the application" or whatever  
> it's called... All my nicks and accounts are there, I just lost the  
> app prefs! I can deal with that! So it's taken care of, for now.  
> Probably just corrupt prefs.
> --
> Ernest Phillips - <[email protected]>
>     http://www.ernestphillips.com
>
> Help protect your digital rights and mine! www.digitalconsumer.org
>
> "Unlike power, force does not induce compliance: the exercise of  
> force is instead an admission that compliance cannot be induced by  
> other noncoercive means." -Robert Jackman, Power Without Force
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Ernest Phillips wrote:
>
>
>> Got it. Also turned on the crash dialogues (I must have turned  
>> them off without realizing). I made sure to disable APE and try it  
>> again, this is the crash log from the time APE was disabled.
>>
>> Host Name:      Mei-Ling
>> Date/Time:      2005-08-21 13:22:02.955 -0700
>> OS Version:     10.4.2 (Build 8C46)
>> Report Version: 3
>>
>> Command: Fire
>> Path:    /Applications/Fire.app/Contents/MacOS/Fire
>> Parent:  WindowServer [434]
>>
>> Version: 1.9.92 (1.9.92)
>>
>> PID:    489
>> Thread: 0
>>
>> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
>> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000021
>>
>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>> 0   libobjc.A.dylib                    0x909ad0f8 objc_msgSend + 24
>> 1   BuddyListCell.ob                   0x02148c00 -[BuddyListCell  
>> setBLItem:] + 140 (BuddyListCell.m:161)
>> 2   SingleCellBuddyList.ob             0x02108450 - 
>> [SingleCellBuddyList(NSOutlineViewDelegation)  
>> outlineView:willDisplayCell:forTableColumn:item:] + 120  
>> (SingleCellBuddyList.m:1310)
>> 3   com.apple.AppKit                   0x936d02a0 -[NSTableView  
>> _drawContentsAtRow:column:clipRect:] + 396
>> 4   com.apple.AppKit                   0x937758c8 -[NSOutlineView  
>> _drawContentsAtRow:column:clipRect:] + 244
>> 5   com.apple.AppKit                   0x936cfc94 -[NSTableView  
>> drawRow:clipRect:] + 220
>> 6   com.apple.AppKit                   0x937757c0 -[NSOutlineView  
>> drawRow:clipRect:] + 184
>> 7   com.apple.AppKit                   0x936cfa50 -[NSTableView  
>> drawRowIndexes:clipRect:] + 108
>> 8   com.apple.AppKit                   0x936cf0d8 -[NSTableView  
>> drawRect:] + 1144
>> 9   com.apple.AppKit                   0x93663d10 -[NSView  
>> _drawRect:clip:] + 2128
>> 10  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936632e0 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 404
>> 11  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93665ff8  
>> _recursiveDisplayInRect2 + 84
>> 12  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075ac24  
>> CFArrayApplyFunction + 416
>> 13  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936633f4 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 680
>> 14  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93665ff8  
>> _recursiveDisplayInRect2 + 84
>> 15  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075ac24  
>> CFArrayApplyFunction + 416
>> 16  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936633f4 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 680
>> 17  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93665ff8  
>> _recursiveDisplayInRect2 + 84
>> 18  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075ac24  
>> CFArrayApplyFunction + 416
>> 19  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936633f4 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 680
>> 20  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93665ff8  
>> _recursiveDisplayInRect2 + 84
>> 21  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075ac24  
>> CFArrayApplyFunction + 416
>> 22  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936633f4 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 680
>> 23  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93665ff8  
>> _recursiveDisplayInRect2 + 84
>> 24  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075ac24  
>> CFArrayApplyFunction + 416
>> 25  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936633f4 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 680
>> 26  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936628b8 -[NSView  
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>> bleRectForView:topView:] + 196
>> 27  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93662e80 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisi 
>> bleRectForView:topView:] + 1676
>> 28  com.apple.AppKit                   0x93662e80 -[NSView  
>> _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisi 
>> bleRectForView:topView:] + 1676
>> 29  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936834dc -[NSThemeFrame  
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>> 32  com.apple.AppKit                   0x936516a0 -[NSWindow  
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>> 33  com.apple.AppKit                   0x9365154c  
>> _handleWindowNeedsDisplay + 200
>> 34  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074af9c  
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>> 35  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074b23c __CFRunLoopRun +  
>> 420
>> 36  com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074acdc  
>> CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
>> 37  com.apple.HIToolbox                0x93123be0  
>> RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 264
>> 38  com.apple.HIToolbox                0x931231ec  
>> ReceiveNextEventCommon + 244
>> 39  com.apple.HIToolbox                0x931230e0  
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>> 40  com.apple.AppKit                   0x9361e1a4 _DPSNextEvent + 384
>> 41  com.apple.AppKit                   0x9361de68 -[NSApplication  
>> nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 116
>> 42  com.apple.AppKit                   0x9361a3cc -[NSApplication  
>> run] + 472
>> 43  com.apple.AppKit                   0x9370ac1c  
>> NSApplicationMain + 452
>> 44  Fire_main.ob                       0x004fece0 main + 108  
>> (Fire_main.m:45)
>> 45  Fire                               0x00002e20 start + 412
>> 46  Fire                               0x00002cc0 start + 60
>>
>> Thread 1:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90056418  
>> semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 8
>> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x900723b0  
>> pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 592
>> 2   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x90b6c728  
>> TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 176
>> 3   ...ickTimeComponents.component     0x99498440  
>> ReadSchedulerThreadEntryPoint + 436
>> 4   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
>>
>> Thread 2:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90056418  
>> semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 8
>> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x900723b0  
>> pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 592
>> 2   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x90b6c728  
>> TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 176
>> 3   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x90b771d0 AIOFileThread 
>> (void*) + 520
>> 4   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
>>
>> Thread 3:
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>> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9000a6bc mach_msg + 60
>> 2   com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074b3d8 __CFRunLoopRun +  
>> 832
>> 3   com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074acdc  
>> CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
>> 4   com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075a13c CFRunLoopRun + 52
>> 5   com.apple.DVCPROHDMuxer            0x04c402bc  
>> AVS::DestroyAVCDeviceController(AVS::AVCDeviceController*) + 396
>> 6   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
>>
>> Thread 4:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9000a778 mach_msg_trap + 8
>> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9000a6bc mach_msg + 60
>> 2   com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074b3d8 __CFRunLoopRun +  
>> 832
>> 3   com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9074acdc  
>> CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
>> 4   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio          0x913a51dc  
>> HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 264
>> 5   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio          0x913a4f7c CAPThread::Entry 
>> (CAPThread*) + 96
>> 6   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
>>
>> Thread 5:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9005cce0 accept + 12
>> 1   com.apple.Foundation               0x9289d880  
>> _backgroundActivity + 272
>> 2   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
>>
>> Thread 6:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9001efec select + 12
>> 1   com.apple.CoreFoundation           0x9075dc6c  
>> __CFSocketManager + 472
>> 2   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
>>
>> Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:
>>   srr0: 0x00000000909ad0f8 srr1:  
>> 0x000000000200f030                        vrsave: 0x0000000000000000
>>     cr: 0x44022222          xer: 0x0000000020000004   lr:  
>> 0x0000000002148c00  ctr: 0x00000000909ad0e0
>>     r0: 0x0000000002148c00   r1: 0x00000000bfffd0c0   r2:  
>> 0x000000000214d16c   r3: 0x0000000000379a70
>>     r4: 0x0000000090a18ab4   r5: 0x0000000000379a70   r6:  
>> 0x00000000ffffffff   r7: 0x0000000006211000
>>     r8: 0x0000000000001b40   r9: 0x0000000000379a70  r10:  
>> 0x00000000000006cd  r11: 0x000000006f5f8ab4
>>    r12: 0x0000000000000001  r13: 0x0000000000000000  r14:  
>> 0x00000000bfffe460  r15: 0x0000000000000001
>>    r16: 0x00000000003eb130  r17: 0x0000000000000000  r18:  
>> 0x0000000000000000  r19: 0x0000000000000000
>>    r20: 0x00000000a36527f4  r21: 0x00000000ffffffff  r22:  
>> 0x00000000bfffd470  r23: 0x0000000000000000
>>    r24: 0x0000000000000000  r25: 0x000000000211042c  r26:  
>> 0x00000000003edb00  r27: 0x0000000000000000
>>    r28: 0x0000000000000001  r29: 0x0000000000378d60  r30:  
>> 0x00000000bfffd0c0  r31: 0x0000000002148b9c
>>
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>> 0x90a56000 - 0x90acafff com.apple.framework.IOKit 1.4 (???)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit
>> 0x90ae4000 - 0x90af6fff libauto.dylib     /usr/lib/libauto.dylib
>> 0x90afd000 - 0x90dc2fff com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 10.4.1  
>> (611.1)    /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/ 
>> Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore
>> 0x90e25000 - 0x90ea5fff com.apple.CoreServices.OSServices 4.0  
>> (4.0.0)    /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/ 
>> Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices
>> 0x90eef000 - 0x90f2ffff com.apple.CFNetwork 10.4.2 (80)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork
>> 0x90f44000 - 0x90f5cfff com.apple.WebServices 1.1.2 (1.1.0)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/WebServicesCore.framework/Versions/A/WebServicesCore
>> 0x90f6c000 - 0x90feafff com.apple.SearchKit 1.0.3    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit
>> 0x9102f000 - 0x91056fff com.apple.Metadata 1.1 (121.6)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata
>> 0x91066000 - 0x91073fff libz.1.dylib     /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib
>> 0x91076000 - 0x91238fff com.apple.security 4.0.1 (223)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Versions/A/Security
>> 0x9133a000 - 0x91343fff com.apple.DiskArbitration 2.1    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/DiskArbitration.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> DiskArbitration
>> 0x9134a000 - 0x91371fff com.apple.SystemConfiguration 1.8.0    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/SystemConfiguration.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> SystemConfiguration
>> 0x91384000 - 0x9138cfff libbsm.dylib     /usr/lib/libbsm.dylib
>> 0x91390000 - 0x9140efff com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 3.0.1    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/CoreAudio.framework/Versions/A/CoreAudio
>> 0x9144c000 - 0x9144cfff com.apple.ApplicationServices 10.4  
>> (???)    /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/ 
>> Versions/A/ApplicationServices
>> 0x9144e000 - 0x91486fff com.apple.AE 1.5 (297)    /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> AE.framework/Versions/A/AE
>> 0x914a1000 - 0x9156cfff com.apple.ColorSync 4.4    /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ColorSync.framework/Versions/A/ColorSync
>> 0x915c1000 - 0x91654fff com.apple.print.framework.PrintCore 4.0  
>> (172.1)    /System/Library/Frameworks/ 
>> ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore
>> 0x9169a000 - 0x91757fff com.apple.QD 3.8.6 (???)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD
>> 0x91795000 - 0x917f3fff com.apple.HIServices 1.5.0 (???)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/HIServices.framework/Versions/A/HIServices
>> 0x91821000 - 0x91844fff com.apple.LangAnalysis 1.6    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis
>> 0x91858000 - 0x9187dfff com.apple.FindByContent 1.5    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/FindByContent.framework/Versions/A/FindByContent
>> 0x91890000 - 0x918d1fff com.apple.LaunchServices 10.4.3 (157)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices
>> 0x918ec000 - 0x91900fff com.apple.speech.synthesis.framework  
>> 3.3    /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/ 
>> Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> SpeechSynthesis
>> 0x9190e000 - 0x91944fff com.apple.ImageIO.framework 1.0.2    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO
>> 0x91958000 - 0x91a1afff libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib     /usr/lib/ 
>> libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib
>> 0x91a66000 - 0x91a7bfff libcups.2.dylib     /usr/lib/libcups.2.dylib
>> 0x91a80000 - 0x91a9cfff libJPEG.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libJPEG.dylib
>> 0x91aa1000 - 0x91b10fff libJP2.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libJP2.dylib
>> 0x91b27000 - 0x91b2bfff libGIF.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libGIF.dylib
>> 0x91b2d000 - 0x91b45fff libRaw.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libRaw.dylib
>> 0x91b48000 - 0x91b8bfff libTIFF.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libTIFF.dylib
>> 0x91b92000 - 0x91babfff libPng.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
>> 0x91bb0000 - 0x91bb3fff libRadiance.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libRadiance.dylib
>> 0x91bb5000 - 0x91bb5fff com.apple.Accelerate 1.1.1 (Accelerate  
>> 1.1.1)    /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/ 
>> A/Accelerate
>> 0x91bb7000 - 0x91ca1fff com.apple.vImage 2.0    /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> vImage.framework/Versions/A/vImage
>> 0x91ca9000 - 0x91cc8fff com.apple.Accelerate.vecLib 3.1.1 (vecLib  
>> 3.1.1)    /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/ 
>> A/Frameworks/vecLib.framework/Versions/A/vecLib
>> 0x91d34000 - 0x91d54fff libmx.A.dylib     /usr/lib/libmx.A.dylib
>> 0x91d5a000 - 0x91dbffff libvMisc.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> vecLib.framework/Versions/A/libvMisc.dylib
>> 0x91dc9000 - 0x91e5bfff libvDSP.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> vecLib.framework/Versions/A/libvDSP.dylib
>> 0x91e75000 - 0x92405fff libBLAS.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> vecLib.framework/Versions/A/libBLAS.dylib
>> 0x9244d000 - 0x9275dfff libLAPACK.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> vecLib.framework/Versions/A/libLAPACK.dylib
>> 0x9278a000 - 0x92815fff com.apple.DesktopServices 1.3    /System/ 
>> Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> DesktopServicesPriv
>> 0x92857000 - 0x92a80fff com.apple.Foundation 6.4.1 (567.12)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation
>> 0x92b9e000 - 0x92c7cfff libxml2.2.dylib     /usr/lib/libxml2.2.dylib
>> 0x92c9c000 - 0x92d8afff libiconv.2.dylib     /usr/lib/libiconv. 
>> 2.dylib
>> 0x92d9c000 - 0x92dbafff libGL.dylib     /System/Library/Frameworks/ 
>> OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib
>> 0x92dc5000 - 0x92e1ffff libGLU.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLU.dylib
>> 0x92e3d000 - 0x92e3dfff com.apple.Carbon 10.4 (???)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Carbon
>> 0x92e3f000 - 0x92e53fff com.apple.ImageCapture 3.0    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture
>> 0x92e6b000 - 0x92e7bfff com.apple.speech.recognition.framework  
>> 3.4    /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition
>> 0x92e87000 - 0x92e9cfff com.apple.securityhi 2.0 (203)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI
>> 0x92eae000 - 0x92f35fff com.apple.ink.framework 101.2 (69)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink
>> 0x92f49000 - 0x92f54fff com.apple.help 1.0.3 (32)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> Help.framework/Versions/A/Help
>> 0x92f5e000 - 0x92f8bfff com.apple.openscripting 1.2.2 (???)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting
>> 0x92fa5000 - 0x92fb5fff com.apple.print.framework.Print 4.0  
>> (187)    /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print
>> 0x92fc1000 - 0x93027fff com.apple.htmlrendering 1.1.2    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> HTMLRendering.framework/Versions/A/HTMLRendering
>> 0x93058000 - 0x930aafff com.apple.NavigationServices 3.4.1  
>> (3.4)    /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> Frameworks/NavigationServices.framework/Versions/A/NavigationServices
>> 0x930d6000 - 0x930f3fff com.apple.audio.SoundManager 3.9    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> CarbonSound.framework/Versions/A/CarbonSound
>> 0x93105000 - 0x93112fff com.apple.CommonPanels 1.2.2 (73)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels
>> 0x9311b000 - 0x9342bfff com.apple.HIToolbox 1.4.2 (???)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox
>> 0x93576000 - 0x93582fff com.apple.opengl 1.4.0    /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/OpenGL
>> 0x93614000 - 0x93614fff com.apple.Cocoa 6.4 (???)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/Cocoa.framework/Versions/A/Cocoa
>> 0x93616000 - 0x93c47fff com.apple.AppKit 6.4.1 (824.1)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit
>> 0x93fd3000 - 0x9403dfff com.apple.CoreData 1.0 (46)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData
>> 0x94075000 - 0x9413ffff com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox  
>> 1.4.1    /System/Library/Frameworks/AudioToolbox.framework/ 
>> Versions/A/AudioToolbox
>> 0x94193000 - 0x94193fff com.apple.audio.units.AudioUnit 1.4    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/AudioUnit.framework/Versions/A/AudioUnit
>> 0x94195000 - 0x942f4fff com.apple.QuartzCore 1.4.1    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/QuartzCore.framework/Versions/A/QuartzCore
>> 0x9433c000 - 0x94379fff libsqlite3.0.dylib     /usr/lib/ 
>> libsqlite3.0.dylib
>> 0x94381000 - 0x943ccfff libGLImage.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLImage.dylib
>> 0x944b6000 - 0x944c8fff com.apple.frameworks.preferencepanes  
>> 11.0    /System/Library/Frameworks/PreferencePanes.framework/ 
>> Versions/A/PreferencePanes
>> 0x944d5000 - 0x944f1fff com.apple.securityfoundation 2.0 (262)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/SecurityFoundation.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> SecurityFoundation
>> 0x94505000 - 0x94548fff com.apple.securityinterface 2.0 (256)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/SecurityInterface.framework/Versions/A/ 
>> SecurityInterface
>> 0x9456c000 - 0x9457bfff libCGATS.A.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libCGATS.A.dylib
>> 0x94583000 - 0x9458ffff libCSync.A.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libCSync.A.dylib
>> 0x945d4000 - 0x945e8fff libRIP.A.dylib     /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libRIP.A.dylib
>> 0x945ee000 - 0x94850fff com.apple.QuickTime 7.0.1    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime
>> 0x94923000 - 0x94942fff com.apple.vecLib 3.1.1 (vecLib 3.1.1)    / 
>> System/Library/Frameworks/vecLib.framework/Versions/A/vecLib
>> 0x94cc6000 - 0x94cf4fff libssl.0.9.7.dylib     /usr/lib/libssl. 
>> 0.9.7.dylib
>> 0x953fe000 - 0x95426fff libcurl.3.dylib     /usr/lib/libcurl.3.dylib
>> 0x95485000 - 0x95508fff libstdc++.6.dylib     /usr/lib/libstdc++. 
>> 6.dylib
>> 0x95586000 - 0x9558efff libgcc_s.1.dylib     /usr/lib/libgcc_s. 
>> 1.dylib
>> 0x95957000 - 0x959e1fff com.apple.WebKit 412.6    /System/Library/ 
>> Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit
>> 0x95a3b000 - 0x95b1dfff com.apple.JavaScriptCore 412.3    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> JavaScriptCore.framework/Versions/A/JavaScriptCore
>> 0x95b71000 - 0x95e5ffff com.apple.WebCore 415.11    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
>> WebCore.framework/Versions/A/WebCore
>> 0x95fe0000 - 0x96009fff libxslt.1.dylib     /usr/lib/libxslt.1.dylib
>> 0x96910000 - 0x96911fff com.apple.zerolink 1.2 (3)    /System/ 
>> Library/PrivateFrameworks/ZeroLink.framework/Versions/A/ZeroLink
>> 0x97aa0000 - 0x97aadfff com.apple.agl 2.5.6 (AGL-2.5.6)    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Versions/A/AGL
>> 0x99486000 - 0x99c18fff com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component  
>> 7.0.1    /System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeComponents.component/ 
>> Contents/MacOS/QuickTimeComponents
>> 0x9afe6000 - 0x9afedfff com.apple.ScreenSaver 1.5    /System/ 
>> Library/Frameworks/ScreenSaver.framework/Versions/A/ScreenSaver
>> --
>> Ernest Phillips - <[email protected]>
>>     http://www.ernestphillips.com
>>
>> Help protect your digital rights and mine! www.digitalconsumer.org
>>
>> "Unlike power, force does not induce compliance: the exercise of  
>> force is instead an admission that compliance cannot be induced by  
>> other noncoercive means." -Robert Jackman, Power Without Force
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Graham Booker wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> More likely than not, something is printed in the System's  
>>> Console (/Applications/Utilities/Console.app).  Anything in there?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:40 AM, Ernest Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am having an odd issue where a previously fine recent TOT  
>>>> built could no longer launch. I tried a new build, with with no  
>>>> change. The program draws the Buddies window with the  
>>>> conversation browser set to half wait... waits a few seconds...  
>>>> and then seems to quit without so much as an error message. The  
>>>> console never comes up. Any ideas? Tomorrow, I'll start digging  
>>>> through the prefs, if nobody has ideas.
>>>> --
>>>> Ernest Phillips - <[email protected]>
>>>>     http://www.ernestphillips.com
>>>>
>>>> Help protect your digital rights and mine! www.digitalconsumer.org
>>>>
>>>> "Unlike power, force does not induce compliance: the exercise of  
>>>> force is instead an admission that compliance cannot be induced  
>>>> by other noncoercive means." -Robert Jackman, Power Without Force
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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