Re: Fake GPG key attack on a Freenet developer

Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab-S0/[email protected]> Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:45:28 +0200
Newsgroups	gmane.network.freenet.devel
Message-ID	<[email protected]>
[email protected] writes:

> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:37:53 PM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>> > -> Please lets not make this subject of the result discussion yet, it's
>> > incomplete and potentially includes bogus data.
>> 
>> That is true, and I already wrote that that’s a possibility.
>> 
>> However that does not invalidate the more important result that using
>> only one way to evaluate the poll results in bogus rankings, even if the
>> correct data is used.
>> 
>> Each of the different ways to evaluate provides for different means of
>> skewing the result, and from what I can tell, these means were used to
>> some degree. From their difference between the evaluation methods we can
>> at least tell how uncertain the result of the poll is.
>
> Hmm yes, there are indeed some signs of attempts to skew the results by people 
> voting for very extreme values. This may be fixed by the median already?
> And yes, it would indeed be nice to have some way to deal with them beyond 
> manually excluding people from voting/estimating
> - if we do manually exclude certain estimates the resulting discussion will be 
> lots of great fun :|
>
> So overall, I am open to looking at those methods, just *after* trying with 
> the original poll method first :)
>
> Let's just shrug this subthread off as a misunderstanding please, ok?
> :)

This won’t undo my answer to Ian, but otherwise I’ll be glad to do that.

I did not intend this as an attack on you, but rather as saving you from
spending two days of what sounded like tedious work on something I had
already done for fun.

Also I don’t mind another implementation.

> I'll go to bed now and finish the main spreadsheets ASAP this week.
> You'll also get raw CSVs then to experiment with, so if the original method 
> does not cope well with manipulation you can try to prove it with data then :)

Thank you for that! Gathering and validating votes is the part of the
work which would be tedious for me, so I’m happy to be able to avoid it :)

> Good night & thanks for the clarifications!

Have a nice day!

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein
ohne es zu merken

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