Re: "Freedom of speech" hypocrisy

On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 03:17:21PM +0000, Jes wrote:
> What's freedom of speech?
> The right to let the others know what you think, and to know what the others
> think.
> 
> Do you absolutely need a network which can hold large files, such as movies,
> to achieve freedom of speech? I don't think so. A simple anomymous message
> board or a few proxies should be enough, and you would not help pedophiles,
> p2p users, etc...

One word: DIEBOLD.
> 
> If you help pedophiles, you also help the guys who are paid to kidnap, rape
> and murder children. Do you really think those children (who could be yours)
> have freedom of speech? If so, keep using freenet and increase your data store
> to 100GB, so it can contain many child porn movies...

My response to such allegations is well known and contained in the -chat
archives. Today I do not have time to argue this with you in person.
Also I would point out that anything that can carry messages can also
carry JPEGs, which probably make up 90%+ of child porn.
> 
> And anyway, I'm not sure that freenet can really help freedom of speech all
> over the world:
> - In the countries where there's no freedom of speech, using freenet may be a
> crime in itself

We are working on that.

> - How many Iranian women, for example, have access to the Internet? If you
> really believe in freedom of speech, this is the real challenge.

A LOT of chinese students, and even North Korean or Iranian or Saudi
students, have internet access. Students are politically significant.

> - It's so easy to lie anonymously...

So what? It's easy to lie non-anonymously. "George Bush is an alien
lizard created by the Klu Klux Klan to infiltrate big business". See?
Remember Deep Throat in Watergate? Remember the American Constitution,
even? A lot of important stuff has been initially posted anonymously,
for various reasons.
> 
> Jes
> ---
> 
>    (Please don't kill me; I'm just using my freedom of speech)

I have no intentions of killing you as long as you use the relevant
mailing list to discuss this. The relevant mailing list is this one,
-chat.

I apologize for the long time it took for your message to be approved;
this was not intentional, I just didn't get around to dealing with the
queue for a few days.
-- 
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