Re: Re: [Tech] Crazy idea: How trust in darknets enables secure democratic censorship
Tom Kaitchuck <[email protected]>
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Matthew Toseland wrote: >On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:06:35PM -0400, Ken Snider wrote: > > >>Matthew Toseland wrote: >> >> >> >>>>- Firstly, One of the first things that came to mind when you began this >>>>quest to determine "trust", was that it creates a very real chance of >>>>"groupthink" within freenet. Why? Because, while it is difficult to >>>>quantify when the method to *determine* this trust is still largely >>>>unknown, the reality is, there will likely be some "like-mindedness" in >>>>those who *are* determined as "trustworthy" - this is further underlined >>>>by numerous comments that the non-dark-freenet would still be there for >>>>the "masses" - the implication is they won't be trusted and likely will >>>>have no means to be. >>>> >>>> >>>Okay, and this is a bad thing because...? Communities usually have some >>>level of shared values (and there will not just be one darknet although >>>there is likely to be one large one and some smaller ones). >>> >>> >>Yes, but this community is a global one, and any belief that there is a >>"consensus" of morality in the global community is shortsighted and doomed >>to failure, *especially* because these communities overlap for other >>reasons, and as such, are likely to have overlapping trust relationships as >>well. >> >> > >You don't think there is a 95%+ consensus in the west on child porn >being bad? > > >>>No, not the founders, the community as a whole. Only a few hops from me >>>are people I vehemently disagree with on most issues. >>> >>> >>Yes, but your assumption suggests that the *majority* of Freenetters are >>good, like-minded individuals. The recent "Brazillian invasion" stories >>about Orkut are proof positive IMHO that a "darknet" (in the sense that >>it's invitation-only) can and has been overtaken by parties who do not >>share the viewpoints of the creators. Have you considered the possibility >>that, through co-ordinated effort, freenet gets inundated with people that >>*support* the very kinds of things you want to censor? >> >> > >Well, if the invaders start censoring stuff posted by the minority, the >expected result is that the minority would sever links with the >invaders - as a normal part of an upheld complaint, because the minority >would oppose the motion. > > And go where? It is a darknet, they don't know each other personally, how can they connect? (especially given that they know they shouldn't trust most people.) _______________________________________________ chat mailing list [email protected] Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe