Re: Offline installer fails

On 01/20/2012 03:26 PM, Dennis Nezic wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:12:24 -0600, Yfrwlf wrote:
>> On 01/20/2012 10:05 AM, Evan Daniel wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Yfrwlf<[email protected]>   wrote:
>>>> On 01/20/2012 07:05 AM, Dennis Nezic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:10:39 +1300, Austin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Originally tried the JavaWebStart installer, and had problems with
>>>> disk space. Moved /usr/local to a bigger partition, then downloaded
>>>> the offline installer:
>>>> http://freenet.googlecode.com/files/new_installer_offline_1405.jar
>>>> as per the web site instructions; also the sig file
>>>> new_installer_offline_1405.jar.sig which I verified with gpg.
>>>> Then ran
>>>> 	java -jar new_installer_offline.jar
>>>> All went OK until Processing step 2/15, "Setting the Updater up",
>>>> which reported "Process execution failed" and asked "Continue
>>>> Anyway?". I continued, but every step after that failed.
>>>> Cleared out the target directory and tried again, same result.
>>>> Can't find any installation log, is there one somewhere?
>>>> Grateful for any suggestions as to what to try next.
>>>> System is Debian Linux 2.6, amd64 (Intel i7 870), 8GB RAM.
>>>> Java OpenJDK 1.6.0_18
>>>>
>>>> (Side note: Why isn't there a debian package for freenet yet?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well with the only dependency being Java I could understand why
>>>> there are no packages.  If there needed to be though it should be
>>>> Zero Install so that it's cross-distro and cross-platform.
>>> Using Zero Install won't make it so I can "apt-get install freenet".
>>> That needs a Debian package, hosted on the Debian repositories. The
>>> request is for a Debian package on Debian repos, not to make it
>>> easier to install Freenet on Debian.
>>>
>>> Evan
>> Okay.  Developers would love to not have to spend the time making a
>> package for every distro and distro verison though, and running
>> "0launch<program's url>" to download and run a program from the
>> command line is an option, though not as simple, but hopefully after
>> it gets a software store for ZI collections that will become an
>> option as well.
> The whole point of community distros is precisely to help program
> developers in this regard. Gentoo users, for example, maintain a
> freenet package completely on their own. It seems like you're trying to
> wish away the whole concept of distros. (Actually, trying to impose
> your own preferred yet-another-package-manager :p.)

Yes, everyone loves re-packaging the same program over and over and over 
again, tons of fun. :P

ZI is a package manager that can run on top of or beside existing 
package managers because it allows co-existence with other package 
managers.  You can install it on any distro.  That makes it one of the 
few cross-distro and cross-platform (Mac, Windows, BSD etc too) package 
managers out there, and thus much more capable of becoming a real actual 
god-forbid Linux standard to allow users and developers more freedom to 
share programs.

So, your proposition that it's useless is totally absurd.  Why anyone 
would go "yessss I have to make 50 billion different packages for the 
same program because there are no standards!" is totally beyond my 
comprehension.  There is no actual justification for having multiple 
formats/standards/managers.  You want to choose one standardized system, 
and then throw all the features you need into the managers which are 
compatible with that system.  It's like fighting ODF, or FTP, or SSH.  
You make it so that operating systems can utilize those systems, you 
don't put effort into systems which all operating systems *can't* 
utilize, and right now that's what Linux enjoys, a severe lack of 
freedom because some find this concept too hard to grasp for some reason.
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