Re: Support Digest, Vol 83, Issue 1
Denis Walker <dandmcwalker-/[email protected]> Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:38:47 +0000 (UTC)
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:51:41 -0500
From: Czery Swizier <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Question
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Anyone can store anything onto the network.
You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
encrypted and distributed.
The entire goal of freenet is to provide storage such that
- you don't know who inserted files
- you don't know where the files are kept
- if you access a node, you cannot actually discover what files the node is
storing
This gives the ability to deny any wrongdoing!
This is much like how tor relay operators (NOT exit operators) can deny any
responsibility for the content that passes through their nodes.
In regards to your IP address question, people can see your IP since you
need it to connect to *other people* in an opennet at least..
If you don't want strangers to know your IP, you can choose darknet mode
which will only connect you to people you already trust.
If you are using an opennet, people will be able to tell you are using
freenet but as long as you are careful, no one can trace data to and from
you.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Kevin S. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Im interested in using Freenet, but I have 2 questions.
>
> "Users contribute to the network by giving bandwidth and a portion of
> their hard drive (called the "data store") for storing files. Files are
> automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are"
>
> Can you elaborate on this? Does that mean someone can store whatever they
> want on my HDD? How do I know its not something illegal?
>
> Also, when using freenet, how do I know others cant see my real IP? Can
> you describe?
>
> Thank you
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:57:05 +0100
From: Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab-S0/[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Question
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Czery Swizier writes:
> Anyone can store anything onto the network.
> You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
> encrypted and distributed.
And just as important: Files are encrypted and then split into small
chunks of 32KiB. These chunks cannot be decrypted by themselves. You
need the key for the file (which conveniently is just the link used to
access them).
So what=E2=80=99s on your disk are just small chunks of white noise which a=
re
totally useless without the key. They cannot even be correlated to a
specific link without having the link in the first place.
Essentially your computer acts as part of a distributed caching proxy
server which cannot know what it caches. That=E2=80=99s how "the cloud" *sh=
ould*
work (but typically does not).
Best wishes,
Arne
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From: "Srikanta Pradhan" <srikanta.pcs16-G4GPZjZw88Cf0DUV/[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [freenet-support] Freeenet: Help to create testbed to setup
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Hello Freenet,
I am Srikanta Pradhan, doing PhD at Indian Institute of Technology Patna
[An university at India] on security analysis of decentralized P2P system.
I am studying the freenet and its behavior. I have used the simulator in
our research lab for this purpose. As we are not allowed to use any P2P
software/website in our university.
Yesterday I came to know from the IRC chat #freenet that a testbed can be
possible. We have several machines here, where I want to install FREENET
for research purpose and verify their behavior in different conditions as
simulated. I need to create a live FREENET netwrok, a private one [not
connected to any other netwrok/internet] and modify them and observe their
patterns.
But I have not found any materials and also the source code of FREENET.
Can you kindly help me here to create a testbed i.e. to get the source
code of it, the materials for installing as privately, how to make changes
at different layers of it.
This will be a very great for me.
With Regards
Srikanta Pradhan
Research Scholar
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Indian Institute of Technology Patna,India. [www.iitp.ac.in]
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ponsibility for the content that passes through their nodes.<br><br>In rega=
rds to your IP address question, people can see your IP since you<br>need i=
t to connect to *other people* in an opennet at least..<br>If you don't wan=
t strangers to know your IP, you can choose darknet mode<br>which will only=
connect you to people you already trust.<br>If you are using an opennet, p=
eople will be able to tell you are using<br>freenet but as long as you are =
careful, no one can trace data to and from<br>you.<br><br>On Tue, Dec 20, 2=
016 at 9:20 AM, Kevin S. <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:=
<br><br>> Hello,<br>><br>> Im interested in using Freenet, but I h=
ave 2 questions.<br>><br>> "Users contribute to the network by giving=
bandwidth and a portion of<br>> their hard drive (called the "data stor=
e") for storing files. Files are<br>> automatically kept or deleted depe=
nding on how popular they are"<br>><br>> Can you elaborate on this? D=
oes that mean someone can store whatever they<br>> want on my HDD? How d=
o I know its not something illegal?<br>><br>> Also, when using freene=
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one can store anything onto the network.<br>> You do not know what is st=
ored on your particular node since the data is<br>> encrypted and distri=
buted.<br><br>And just as important: Files are encrypted and then split int=
o small<br>chunks of 32KiB. These chunks cannot be decrypted by themselves.=
You<br>need the key for the file (which conveniently is just the link used=
to<br>access them).<br><br>So what=E2=80=99s on your disk are just small c=
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not even be correlated to a<br>specific link without having the link in the=
first place.<br><br>Essentially your computer acts as part of a distribute=
d caching proxy<br>server which cannot know what it caches. That=E2=80=99s =
how "the cloud" *should*<br>work (but typically does not).<br><br>Best wish=
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: HTML included in message<br> 0.8 BAYES_50 &nbs=
p; BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60%<br>  =
; &nb=
sp; [score: 0.5000]<br>-0.1 DKIM_VALID &n=
bsp; Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature<br>-0.1 DK=
IM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or D=
K signature from author's<br> &nbs=
p; domain<br> 0.1 DKIM_SIG=
NED Message has a DKIM or DK signa=
ture, not necessarily valid<br> 2.0 FREENET_LOC_SHORT C=
ontains short body and URI<br> 0.8 RDNS_NONE &nb=
sp; Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS<br><=
br>The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to=
<br>open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,<br=
>or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to view<b=
r>it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.<br><=
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t.mht</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Da=
te: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:07:44 +0530 (IST)<br>From: "Srikanta Pradhan" <<a=
href=3D"mailto:srikanta.pcs16-G4GPZjZw88Cf0DUV/[email protected]" ymailto=3D"mailto:srikanta.pcs16=
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[email protected]</a><br>Subject: [freenet-support] Freeenet: Help to =
create testbed to setup<br> private fre=
enet network<br>Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:a28007e940d891b877c8689ba=
[email protected]" ymailto=3D"mailto:a28007e940d891b877c8689ba4a=
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6.1.11</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=3Diso-8859-1<br><br>Hell=
o Freenet,<br><br>I am Srikanta Pradhan, doing PhD at Indian Institute of T=
echnology Patna<br>[An university at India] on security analysis of decentr=
alized P2P system.<br>I am studying the freenet and its behavior. I have us=
ed the simulator in<br>our research lab for this purpose. As we are not all=
owed to use any P2P<br>software/website in our university.<br><br>Yesterday=
I came to know from the IRC chat #freenet that a testbed can be<br>possibl=
e. We have several machines here, where I want to install FREENET<br>for re=
search purpose and verify their behavior in different conditions as<br>simu=
lated. I need to create a live FREENET netwrok, a private one [not<br>conne=
cted to any other netwrok/internet] and modify them and observe their<br>pa=
tterns.<br><br>But I have not found any materials and also the source code =
of FREENET.<br>Can you kindly help me here to create a testbed i.e. to get =
the source<br>code of it, the materials for installing as privately, how to=
make changes<br>at different layers of it.<br><br>This will be a very grea=
t for me.<br><br>With Regards<br><br>Srikanta Pradhan<br>Research Scholar<b=
r>Department of Computer Science and Engineering<br>Indian Institute of Tec=
hnology Patna,India. [www.iitp.ac.in]<br><br><br>--------------------------=
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