Re: Distributed Drive and Increased Usage

On Tuesday 13 May 2008 16:57, Dan wrote:
> DarkNet VS OpenNet Elements
> 
> With FreeNet yes a DarkNet can leak public but a group that is using it 
> to cover communications and information can work to restrict it even if 
> its like the olden days; a memo form of security about not deleting a 
> file on the mainframe. At present there is no way to force the 
> restrictions on it but in time the groups that begin to implement this 
> as a private internet will work on limiting it from breaking out of the 
> set group.

Sure it can, but I'm not convinced as to how useful this is: there's a lot you 
can do on a small darknet that's much harder on a big darknet, and Freenet is 
generally designed for big networks.
> 
> I can see this project resulting in not a single world wide private 
> anonymous internet but resulting in many and the various nets all may or 
> may not come together in the world.
> 
> Its not too hard to see there being a Christian Crusader Network forming 
> and an Eastern Jihad Network, a Republican Network, a Democratic 
> Network, and so on. People have a natural tendency to associate with 
> like minded groups.

:)

And *all of them* will have content their users consider objectionable.
> 
> This project offers 2 elements in privacy the first is privacy from the 
> current network and the internet as its known today and the second is 
> privacy from each other. The latter in that is one that is under 
> personal control while a person may not want the world to know they are 
> part of the network they may be quite happy to have the group with in 
> the network know even their home address's and names.

Privacy from each other is less strong than privacy from an external attacker.
> 
> The Chat Application Function and a stripped down NODE, there is likely 
> a fair demand for this form of an application for a chat program running 
> on the freenet network it offers more than just a simple CHAT.
> 
> Running on freenet as a mini node would mean there is continued traffic 
> making it impossible to pick out a conversation by watching a connection 
> from a setting of an ISP.  The system is encrypted and secured that can 
> not be monitored. The Anonymous Factor on the chat is also one that 
> would benefit people as well. Yes talking to your Brother the anon 
> function is useless but the communications are secured by the system, on 
> the other hand your also able to chat with a total stranger and there is 
> no concern they may be able to locate you physically.

That's completely different. Real time chat over Freenet, with both peers 
anonymised, is not currently feasible (well there are prototypes with ~ 15 
second latency, but IMHO it will be slow and rely on some unreliable 
mechanisms...)
> 
> A Chat Application would bring in a huge number of people to this, the 
> mini node concept would also see there being a couple million TOR style 
> routers available to the freenet expanding both the speed and security.
> 
> The Seti@Home application running the distributed  processing for the 
> Seti Project was a fairly burdensome program when your computer when 
> idle on  screen saver mode it was quite happy to take over what ever 
> system resources it could. Often times I would see my system hitting 
> 100% cpu when I wasnt using it.
> 
> People are willing to "Donate To the Cause" IF your machine is on 24/7 
> the 8 hours your sleeping even the Gamers out there wont care so long as 
> when they are playing the game they dont loose latency.

Only if they leave their PC on overnight. Which they won't because it uses 
power and emits noise (and carbon).
> 
> Mini Node.... enough to access it for chatting, and to function as a 
> relay for freenet is one idea.
> 
> The second idea is to use the Mini Nodes as MINI SERVERS.... You would 
> not be able to keep a server on a single IP long 10 - 15 mins and it 
> would need to be redundant by putting 4 or 8 or what ever together so 
> that any one server set looses one member the other 4 take over. They 
> hang out on some ones chat node for 10 mins and move on...

I still don't see how you are going to distribute one node over 8 peers. And I 
don't understand what you are talking about with 10 - 15 minutes either.
> 
> A FreeNet Server Applet..... The Web Pages are fairly static in nature 
> due to the security using the Chat Mini Nodes as temp servers would 
> bring a bit of dynamics to the system would be one idea as a use for a 
> MINI NODE.
> 
> With the Offline Storage Concept.
> 
>  >The problem with this is that if it relies on the user coming up with the
>  >disk, not only will latency be terrible, but in many cases the user 
> won't be
>  >bothered - it's just way too much work to find a specific disk, at 
> least in
>  >my house!
> 
> In a system where only 3 people have a copy of the file wanted yes 
> latency would be wait till it gets put in.... but in a system where 5 
> million people could be asked if it was a common burned file ( IE: a 
> win98 DLL that went bad and some one needed a copy of) out of 5 million 
> that could be asked and the million that have it some one will have it 
> handy and put it in.

If it's a common file it should be already on their system, they shouldn't 
need to put a disk in.
> 
> And the idea with it is to make it of a benefit to the user as well not 
> just to the freenet.
> 
> The application I have in mind would provide the user with an index of 
> the off line files they have stored, as they scan in the cd/dvd the 
> system builds them a nice little storage index database so that they are 
> able to find things.... all they need to do is mark them #1 #2 etc.
> 
> The system would also need to generate the file id hash's ideally for a 
> number of the P2P apps as well as part of the Database.
> 
> With the Hash's all ready if a person goes to click on a file the 
> database can look it up and tell the user you have that file on disc #12 
> already.... (benefit is saves the bandwidth for the freenet and for the 
> user as well as time)

If they can be bothered to find it. In my home there are hundreds of disks...
> 
> The DataBase does not get published your not all of a sudden sharing 
> everything burnt publicly even on an anon system.... the Freenet uses it 
> to when it has a file that is either no longer on the system or is only 
> 78% complete as a few of the nodes no longer have the blocks that would 
> have completed it.

It would have to be published, but it could be published in an encrypted form.
> 
> In a small user base system this would be SLOW but in a large user base 
> system it could see 500 copies brought online by various users instead 
> of being a brand new seed in terms of Bit Torrent and it being 
> propagated back into the free net, with 500 copies it becomes and 
> instant swarm and you have 90k/sec down. with non of them upping more 
> than a few K each.

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