Re: Fwd: netsukuku

On Monday 05 January 2009 20:03, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> 2009/1/5 Matthew Toseland <toad-EI5O+8PHWbJeeLb3ft/[email protected]>:
> > Opportunistic ad-hoc wireless isn't freenet, it's Haggle. It's very far 
from
> [snip]
> 
> Pshaw! Come now, think opennet. It could be done. Perhaps it would
> reduce some of the practical weaknesses of opennet— an adversary's
> ability to pick and choose peers is subject to geographic
> restrictions. (Is it worthwhile? I think so, but that is far less
> clear than the mere possibility)

I don't see what this has to do with Freenet - Freenet routing, Freenet 
security models, Freenet strategic goals. That's not to say it isn't useful.

Of course other people say the same about my plans for darknet over sneakernet 
in the long run. :)
> 
> > However, ad-hoc networking with known friends, over some short-range
> > high-bandwidth low-power system, maybe UWB-based, is a good idea and
> > hopefully will happen one day, but it would need a huge amount of burst
> > bandwidth to get a reasonable overall transfer rate... exchanging USB keys
> > could get around 1Mbps per peer equivalent, assuming 8GB sticks swapped
> > daily.
> 
> 802.11n, now widely shipping in laptops in 'draft' form, manages a
> couple hundred mbit/sec in-room. I suppose the bigger challenge would
> be getting the software and hard disk to keep up with the network.

Even Wireless USB is probably too slow when you consider that exposures are 
likely to be quite brief. It depends on how desperate you are of course.
> 
> > Anyway, all this delay tolerant stuff relies on figuring out a way to do
> > delay-tolerant location swapping, which is far from trivial, and may not 
be
> > possible.
> 
> Yes. Sorry for the noise.

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