Re: Re: Implementing a Gnutella-structured network only with basic HTTP possible?Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC)Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC)
Bill Pringlemeir <[email protected]> Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:39:28 -0700 (PDT)
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--h5v3VHqqb1xwFP4ktWYxwiibowsbeJ6gPn1w2VI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: verdy_p <[email protected]> >My opinion is to keep HTTP as the top layer, even if, for reachability, it= gets encapsulated. The creation of the=20 I think that downloading content is probably not worth discussing (that was= the opinion of Phillip and others as=20 well). I just add some minor points. There is some research on determinin= g path parameter (PathLink and=20 others). However, it seems to me that the best approach would be to have a= n ISP provide a protocol to determine=20 preferred IP/netmask list. 2^24 is only 4Meg and that would be all as class= 'C'. This would let clients of all kinds=20 determine an ISP directed connection for different applications (aside from= Gnutella). Another item that is easy to retrofit is 'data replication'. I think that = most servents don't pay attention to what has been downloaded previously. This can make popular content become more popu= lar. If the uploading goal is to=20 replicate data, then rarer content should be preferred, especially if alt-l= ocs are available for other sources. > The existing tag search service of Gnutella is widely deprecated. The bes= t service now is the Kademlia-based=20 > "Mojito" DHT, routed via the Gnutella infrastructure, and the host discov= ery system (that allows the network to=20 > remain fully connected, independently of what they can transport). >But the whole search service is bad as it cannot correctly index the resou= rces. A true service should behave more=20 >or less like a classic desktop search engine with a similar API. It should= work over a smarter indexing database,=20 >and it should be capable of performing full text searches within documents= or medias. The DHT can be used to publish indexes (into a database). The DHT can be a= distributed index, which is what=20 the first generation centralized servers had. There are some solutions to = wild card searches. However, I don't=20 think that most users want a reg-ex interface. Fwiw, Bill Pringlemeir. __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer=AE 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yaho= o! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ --h5v3VHqqb1xwFP4ktWYxwiibowsbeJ6gPn1w2VI Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><br> <br> > From: verdy_p <<a href=3D"mailto:verdy_p%40wanadoo.fr">verdy_p@wana= doo.<wbr>fr</a>><br> <br> >My opinion is to keep HTTP as the top layer, even if, for reachability,= it gets encapsulated. The creation of the <br> <br> I think that downloading content is probably not worth discussing (that was= the opinion of Phillip and others as <br> well). I just add some minor points. There is some research on determinin= g path parameter (PathLink and <br> others). However, it seems to me that the best approach would be to have a= n ISP provide a protocol to determine <br> preferred IP/netmask list. 2^24 is only 4Meg and that would be all as class= 'C'. This would let clients of all kinds <br> determine an ISP directed connection for different applications (aside from= Gnutella).<br> <br> Another item that is easy to retrofit is 'data replication'<wbr>. I think = that most servents don't pay attention to what has<br> been downloaded previously. This can make popular content become more popu= lar. If the uploading goal is to <br> replicate data, then rarer content should be preferred, especially if alt-l= ocs are available for other sources.<br> <br> > The existing tag search service of Gnutella is widely deprecated. The = best service now is the Kademlia-based <br> > "Mojito" DHT, routed via the Gnutella infrastructure, and th= e host discovery system (that allows the network to <br> > remain fully connected, independently of what they can transport).<br> <br> >But the whole search service is bad as it cannot correctly index the re= sources. A true service should behave more <br> >or less like a classic desktop search engine with a similar API. It sho= uld work over a smarter indexing database, <br> >and it should be capable of performing full text searches within docume= nts or medias.<br> <br> The DHT can be used to publish indexes (into a database). The DHT can be a= distributed index, which is what <br> the first generation centralized servers had. There are some solutions to = wild card searches. However, I don't <br> think that most users want a reg-ex interface.<br> <br> Fwiw,<br> Bill Pringlemeir.<br> <br> ____________<wbr>_________<wbr>_________<wbr>_________<wbr>_________<wbr>__= _______<wbr>_<br> The new Internet Explorer=AE 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yaho= o! 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