Re: Re: Implementing a Gnutella-structured network only with basic HTTP possible?Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC)Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC)
Negin Mosavi <[email protected]> Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:40:07 -0700 (PDT)
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--N2NuXQHlNERJqrKgLepzN9QgHSgK3XUAOBWBYT1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi ok i want to help this group. and i have three question in Gnutella: 1.when i install Gnutellasim in linux, i have one error and lake of gnu src= .tar.gz where can i get this file(web site)? 2. in Gnutella network if one servent get the IP address, this IP address i= s static or Dynamic? 3.Does every servent for connecting in Gnutella network =C2=A0 have usernam= e and password? thanks ________________________________ From: Francisco <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 6:12:03 PM Subject: Re: [the_gdf] Re: Implementing a Gnutella-structured network only = with basic HTTP possible?Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC)Date: F= ri, 26 Feb 2010 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC) =C2=A0=20 Hi, Good, can u help me and another developers in a list, we want to develop a = library to maximize p2p functionalities, take a look at http://offsystem. sourceforge. net/, its a good idea but lac= k of documentation i think for the protocol health we need a very detail documentation ... if more want to join us, go there to discuss ... gnutella3.sf. net, everybo= dy is well come! ------------ - Segue mensagem original! ------------ - De: Bill Pringlemeir=20 Data: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Para: the_gdf@yahoogroups .com Assunto: Re: [the_gdf] Re: Implementing a Gnutella-structured network only = with basic HTTP possible?Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC)Date: F= ri, 26 Feb 2010 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC) =C2=A0 > From: verdy_p <verdy_p@wanadoo. fr> >My opinion is to keep HTTP as the top layer, even if, for reachability, it= gets encapsulated. The creation of the I think that downloading content is probably not worth discussing (that was= the opinion of Phillip and others as=20 well). I just add some minor points. There is some research on determining = path parameter (PathLink and=20 others). However, it seems to me that the best approach would be to have an= ISP provide a protocol to determine=20 preferred IP/netmask list. 2^24 is only 4Meg and that would be all as class= 'C'. This would let clients of all kinds=20 determine an ISP directed connection for different applications (aside from= Gnutella). Another item that is easy to retrofit is 'data replication' . I think that = most servents don't pay attention to what has been downloaded previously. This can make popular content become more popul= ar. If the uploading goal is to=20 replicate data, then rarer content should be preferred, especially if alt-l= ocs are available for other sources. > The existing tag search service of Gnutella is widely deprecated. The bes= t service now is the Kademlia-based=20 > "Mojito" DHT, routed via the Gnutella infrastructure, and the host discov= ery system (that allows the network to=20 > remain fully connected, independently of what they can transport). >But the whole search service is bad as it cannot correctly index the resou= rces. A true service should behave more=20 >or less like a classic desktop search engine with a similar API. It should= work over a smarter indexing database,=20 >and it should be capable of performing full text searches within documents= or medias. The DHT can be used to publish indexes (into a database). The DHT can be a = distributed index, which is what=20 the first generation centralized servers had. There are some solutions to w= ild card searches. However, I don't=20 think that most users want a reg-ex interface. Fwiw, Bill Pringlemeir. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ The new Internet Explorer=C2=AE 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Ya= hoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads. yahoo.com/ ca/internetexplo = rer/ =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --N2NuXQHlNERJqrKgLepzN9QgHSgK3XUAOBWBYT1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>hi<br> ok i want to help this group. and i have three question in Gnutella:<br> 1.when i install Gnutellasim in linux, i have one error and lake of gnu src= .tar.gz where can i get this file(web site)?<br> 2. in Gnutella network if one servent get the IP address, this IP address i= s static or Dynamic?<br> 3.Does every servent for connecting in Gnutella network =C2=A0 have usernam= e and password?<br> thanks<br> <br> ____________<wbr>_________<wbr>_________<wbr>__<br> From: Francisco <<a href=3D"mailto:francisco%40privh.com.br">francisco@p= rivh.<wbr>com.br</a>><br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:the_gdf%40yahoogroups.com">the_gdf@yahoogroups<wbr>.c= om</a><br> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bpringlemeir%40yahoo.com">bpringlemeir@<wbr>yahoo.com= </a><br> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 6:12:03 PM<br> Subject: Re: [the_gdf] Re: Implementing a Gnutella-structured network only = with basic HTTP possible?Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC)Dat= e: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC)<br> <br> =C2=A0 <br> Hi,<br> <br> Good, can u help me and another developers in a list, we want to develop a = library to maximize p2p functionalities,<br> take a look at <a href=3D"http://offsystem.">http://offsystem.</a> sourcefo= rge. net/, its a good idea but lack of documentation<br> i think for the protocol health we need a very detail documentation ...<br> if more want to join us, go there to discuss ... gnutella3.sf. net, everybo= dy is well come!<br> <br> ------------ - Segue mensagem original! ------------ -<br> <br> De: Bill Pringlemeir <br> Data: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:39:28 -0700 (PDT)<br> Para: the_gdf@yahoogroups .com<br> Assunto: Re: [the_gdf] Re: Implementing a Gnutella-structured network only = with basic HTTP possible?Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC)Dat= e: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC)<br> <br> =C2=A0<br> <br> > From: verdy_p <verdy_p@wanadoo. fr><br> <br> >My opinion is to keep HTTP as the top layer, even if, for reachability,= it gets encapsulated. The creation of the<br> <br> I think that downloading content is probably not worth discussing (that was= the opinion of Phillip and others as <br> well). I just add some minor points. There is some research on determining = path parameter (PathLink and <br> others). However, it seems to me that the best approach would be to have an= ISP provide a protocol to determine <br> preferred IP/netmask list. 2^24 is only 4Meg and that would be all as class= 'C'. This would let clients of all kinds <br> determine an ISP directed connection for different applications (aside from= Gnutella).<br> <br> Another item that is easy to retrofit is 'data replication' . I think that = most servents don't pay attention to what has<br> been downloaded previously. This can make popular content become more popul= ar. If the uploading goal is to <br> replicate data, then rarer content should be preferred, especially if alt-l= ocs are available for other sources.<br> <br> > The existing tag search service of Gnutella is widely deprecated. The = best service now is the Kademlia-based <br> > "Mojito" DHT, routed via the Gnutella infrastructure, and th= e host discovery system (that allows the network to <br> > remain fully connected, independently of what they can transport).<br> <br> >But the whole search service is bad as it cannot correctly index the re= sources. A true service should behave more <br> >or less like a classic desktop search engine with a similar API. It sho= uld work over a smarter indexing database, <br> >and it should be capable of performing full text searches within docume= nts or medias.<br> <br> The DHT can be used to publish indexes (into a database). The DHT can be a = distributed index, which is what <br> the first generation centralized servers had. There are some solutions to w= ild card searches. However, I don't <br> think that most users want a reg-ex interface.<br> <br> Fwiw,<br> Bill Pringlemeir.<br> <br> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _<br> The new Internet Explorer=C2=AE 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Ya= hoo! 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