gopher+ questions
Michael Lazar <[email protected]> Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:54:35 -0400
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Hi all, I've recently added gopher:// support to my web proxy [0], and now I'm working on implementing support for gopher+. This is purely for my own edification and I'm well aware that the ecosystem for gopher+ is non-existent. Even though I've already written multiple clients and servers for RFC 1436, I'm finding the gopher+ spec very difficult to wrap my head around. Besides the document itself being a wall of text that makes my eyes glaze over, there are just so many new features crammed into gopher+ that a full-featured client needs to be aware of. And with many of them, it's not at all obvious how a client should present an appropriate UI (like supporting multiple document types with +VIEWS, or when to make a separate network request to retrieve item attributes). Here are some gopher+ questions that I have. I appreciate any historical context or technical answers that anyone on this list might be able to provide. 1. Just how popular *was* gopher+ back in '93? I've seen conflicting information on this. The gopher URL RFC 4266 says "Historical note: Gopher+ was uncommon even when Gopher was popular.". However, a gophercon '94 presentation from UMN claims that "By December 1993 about 1/3 of gopherspace uses gopher+ servers" and "Bulk of the new server registrations are gopher+" [1]. Granted, UMN wasn't exactly an unbiased source on the matter, and I imagine a significant number of sysadmins were running their software. However, searching through code on github I can find gopher+ support was added to Windows and several other gopher clients. 2. Are there any modern software implementations for gopher+? By "modern" I mean anything from this millennia. The only one that I'm aware of is pygopherd, which has fairly decent server-side support, although it lacks +ASK queries and serving multiple +VIEWS. 3. Are there any live servers using gopher+? Besides the bare minimum to handle gopher+ protocol requests, is anyone filling in their +ABSTRACT attributes or presenting +ASK forms, or doing anything interesting with the protocol? 4. Are there any non-standard gopher+ attributes? Besides the ideas tossed around in the gopher+ paper (+GView, +3D-ICON and +3D-COORDINATE), are there any other examples of gopher+ attributes that were suggested? Supposedly UMN maintained a registry for these: "The University of Minnesota announced it would act as a central registry of Gopher+ data types; anyone proposing to implement a new named attribute field will submit it for registration to the Gopher team." [2] 5. Is there a mime-type that describes the response returned for gopher+ requests? I'm referring to the gopher+ responses that look like this: +INFO: 0Salmon dogsFsome selectorFhost2Fport2F+ +ADMIN: Admin: Frodo Gophermeister <[email protected]> Mod-Date: August 15, 1992 <19920815185503> +VIEWS: Text/plain: <10k> Is this supposed to be "application/gopher+-menu"? It's weird that it's not called out in the spec, whereas the standard "application/gopher-menu" on the other hand is mentioned by name. side note: I'm sad to see that http://jumpjet.info has gone offline. It was a fantastic resource for gopher reference documentation. Thankfully most of the pages are still available through the Internet Archive. Best, Michael [0] https://portal.mozz.us [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20211023205828/https://www.jumpjet.info/Offbeat-Internet/Gopher/Repository/GopherCon/GC94/Presentations/GEN1=1994_State_of_the_Gopher.txt [2] https://uh-ir.tdl.org/bitstream/handle/10657/5095/Wiggins_1993_TheUniversityofMinnesota%27sInternet.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y