Re: hostmangling in new ircd

> >  if i, as a channel-op, want to report logs as evidence to a third
> >  party, i have to ask the admins for help to translate the mangled
> >  hostnames to real ones. do the admins really want to meddle in
> >  that?

> How many times does that realistically happen?  

we wouldnt know, because admins are not involved atm.

> How do you currently deal with such issues on IM networks that don't 
> show hostnames?  IRC is virtually the only IM technology that shows 
> users' hosts.

ICQ shows (read: 'has knowledge of') users' hosts. all IM's that have
CTCP-like behaviour have, at one time or another. MSN-text travels over
Microsoft servers afaik (another reason not to use it), but audio/video and
filetransfers don't.


> Do you want a channel mode for preventing users with masked hosts
> from entering tube?  

sorry?

> Or one that will show their real host in
> channels that require their real host to be shown? (I believe irctoo
> does this? will be problematic with trying to stop users being
> tricked into joining such channels though)

how about having chanops see the real hosts of users in their channels?
that will still stop the ddos-kiddies and alleviates much of the other
objections.


> >  what does *the network* have to gain from hostmasking users?
> >  aren't we making it ourselves more difficult?

> What we're gaining is that we're getting ever more demands for masked
> hosts and when we say we don't have the feature, they go to a
> network that does, and it's getting harder and harder to justify why
> we don't provide the feature.

if its such a demanded feature, why isn't it in bahamut 1.8 already?

> Also in channels like the maroc ones their users are being
> terrorised by kiddies who DDoS if they don't get chanops and we can
> do nothing to help.

(ah, the "terrorised"-meme) well, have them register to get a masked host. 

if you have someone that blackmails you you're fucked anyway. possible
side-effect: hostmasking will shift the load of the DDosses to the network
instead of the private user.


Mrten.