Re: Scoping discussion: updating XMPP RFCs / XMPP 2.0

Hi Peter,

On Wed, Apr 1, 2026 at 1:50 PM Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]> wrote:

> As to "bring in new people", I think that's a bit of a red herring.
> There is no such thing as "XSF people" or "IETF people" - there are just
> people. If some people come to the IETF asking to do some work
> (especially if they are are *coming back* in good faith to update a
> technology of long standing at the IETF), there is no requirement to get
> new people interested. In my various roles at the IETF I have seen this
> repeatedly with work on technologies like FTP.
>
> As to "align this work with the need for a common messaging standard",
> that could be a rat hole of epic proportions, so we'd need to understand
> what kind of scope people are thinking about. Although I have no doubt
> that there are ecosystem gaps XMPP can fill (and arguably should have
> filled long ago), quite possibly those gaps have come about because of
> product and (roughly speaking) political decisions made by the major
> players, which can't necessarily be solved by a standardization effort,
> especially one to update XMPP Core rather than define new extensions or
> applications of XMPP. If some of the requirements align that's great,
> but I'd be careful about saddling the update effort with a whole bunch
> of new requirements just to satisfy the longing for a common messaging
> standard, which has existed for 30 years and might never be satisfied.


thank you very much for you input.

I’m thinking about all this as a medium to long term project. I think
we have a rough direction but we don’t know exactly where we are
going. I believe that even without widening the scope - purely with
what we have right now - we can provide value to other players as
well. One thing I’m increasingly getting aware of after talking to
people inside and outside the IETF is that many people just aren’t
aware of what we have.
That’s what I’m trying to have the side meeting for. Making people
aware of what we have and finding out if people are interested in
that.

But, yes - again - everything you say on scope creep is well noted.

cheers
Daniel
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