Re: [j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router

Base licensing is useful if you self-spare, such that the capital invested
in cold spares sitting in a warehouse is significantly less than the full
cost of the device with licensing.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:53 AM Michael Hare via juniper-nsp <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Sorry if this is off topic, but what's the use case for Base license on an
> MX?   Is it just to align the name of the licensing with EX and the ilk?
> Are there significant customers using hardware as whitebox?  We've been
> Juniper customer since the m40 days and always routed with them.  Thoughts
> and feelings aside about price and licensing management aside, I always
> found it curious that someone would purchase an MX and not need even static
> routing.  Our ASNs ended up in the "Advanced" bucket, which was essentially
> equivalent for us to the old "base".
>
> -Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: juniper-nsp <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
> > Richard McGovern via juniper-nsp
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:51 AM
> > To: Saku Ytti <[email protected]>; Aaron Gould <[email protected]>
> > Cc: Karl Gerhard <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router
> >
> > Aaron, what version of Junos are you using on your MX304? This should NOT
> > happen and if it did/is, then I suggest you open a Case with JTAC.
> Minimally
> > your account team should be able to get you a temp license to work-around
> > this until resolved.
> >
> > The introduction of newer (well now like 2 years old) Flex licensing all
> newly
> > purchased MX (which would include ALL MX304s) support only L2 in the base
> > (free) license. For any L3 (even static) you require some additional
> level of
> > license. For MX those levels are Base/Advanced/Premium -
> > https://www.juniper.net/documentation/us/en/software/license/flex/flex-
> > license-for-mx-series-routers-and-mpc-service-cards.pdf. Your local
> Partner or
> > Juniper Sales team should be able to help with any questions in this
> area.
> >
> > Flex License can be purchased on a Subscription (yearly) basis or
> Perpetual
> > (matches older style) – this is similar/same for almost all vendors in
> current
> > times.
> >
> > Most (but not ALL!) Juniper license are currently “honor” based. This
> means
> > features that require a license will NOT be turned off if the license is
> not
> > present. Instead warning/error messages will be shown, which will
> [obviously]
> > fill up your logs quickly 😂 MACSec maybe one of those licenses which are
> > NOT “honor” based; there are others as well. Of course, Perpetual
> licenses
> > never expire 👍 Subscription licenses have a built-in ‘safety zone’ of
> > approximately 30 days after the subscription date expires. This is to
> provide
> > time for renewal of the subscription for those that “forget” 😩
> >
> > If you have an older subscription license which is no longer valid under
> newer
> > Flex license structure, at renewal the license will automatically be
> converted by
> > Juniper internal renewals team to the new Flex license SKU, at same
> price as
> > the older SKU, if there is a price [increase] difference.
> >
> > One big advantage of the new Flex license structure is that these
> licenses are
> > transferable. That is, these licenses are not permanently tied to a
> single device
> > SN. This also includes Perpetual Flex Licenses. In the Juniper Agile
> License Portal
> > (https://license.juniper.net/licensemanage/) where one turns a License
> SKU
> > [Entitlement] into a Activation [code] which then is used to create the
> actual
> > loadable license. Here one MUST associate the License with a SN, but that
> > License can then be re-called (changed from Activation back to
> Entitlement)
> > and then that Entitlement can be associated with a new SN. The license
> on the
> > old SN is no longer valid.
> >
> > As for current checks, Juniper is covered by EULA – End User License
> > Agreement. In the future Juniper can (and is likely to) add additional
> > enforcement checks into their SW – Just an FYI.
> >
> > FYI only, Rich
> >
> >
> > Richard McGovern
> > Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
> > 978-618-3342
> >
> > I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good
> > I don’t make the news, I just report it
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Juniper Business Use Only
> >
> > On 10/25/23, 2:01 AM, "Saku Ytti" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 22:21, Aaron Gould via juniper-nsp
> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My MX304 trial license expired last night, after rebooting the MX304,
> > > various protocols no longer work.  This seems more than just
> > > honor-based... ospf, ldp, etc, no longer function.  This is new to me;
> > > that Juniper is making protocols and technologies tied to license.  I
> > > need to understand more about this, as I'm considering buying MX304's.
> >
> > Juniper had assured me multiple times that they strategically have
> > decided to NEVER do this. That it's an actual decision they've
> > considered at the highest level, that they will not downgrade devices
> > in operation. I guess 'reboot' is not in-operation?
> >
> > Notion that operators are able to keep licenses up-to-date and valid
> > is naive, we can't keep SSL certificates valid and we've had decades
> > of time to learn, it won't happen. You will learn about the problem,
> > when shit breaks.
> >
> > The right solution would be a phone-home, and a vendor sales rep
> > calling you 'hey you have expired licenses, let's solve this'. Not
> > breaking the boxes. Or 'your phone home hasn't worked, you need to fix
> > it before we can re-up your support contract'.
> > --
> >   ++ytti
> >
> >
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