Re: [opennic-discuss] [PROPOSAL] 1 year wait before re-voting

It would apply retroactively. Perhaps we can have the proposal take effect one month after the vote passes, which would give you and others a brief window to push your stuff through without an extra wait.

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-Dan Q

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 23:42:44 -0500, Jonah Aragon <[email protected]> wrote:

> > I think it should be more long-term than short-term, but others here disagree.
> 
> Well, lots of people end up not sticking around that long so it’s hard to blame them. 
> 
> Is this proposal going to retroactively apply to all failed proposals within the last year or only apply going forward?
> 
> Jonah
> 
> > On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > I've heard that said about UDRP, actually.  If you lose, adjust something a little and start over.
> > 
> > To Jonah, you suggested in the past revisiting votes you lost on, and are doing that now with Discourse and Discord.
> > To the person I forget who who was unhappy about .front being voted out, he wanted to vote again (nothing came of it, possibly it was just complaining)
> > And as for myself, I did the same thing for .free/.libre, and we held a vote for a "nonbinding suggestion" that the TLD owner rejected anyway.
> > 
> > It's just good to have a fixed time limit of some sort on this issue, to keep things stable and ensure integrity of the organization, just like how we voted on your proposals for voting procedures. I think it should be more long-term than short-term, but others here disagree.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> >> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 23:27:05 -0500, Jonah Aragon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Seeing as I was called out specifically in the initial post, I figured I should chime in. Adding such a time limit just seems arbitrary to me. I’ll be voting for no change to the current system, barring some extraordinary argument. Is there any precedent for such a system in other democratic setups? 
> >> 
> >> Jonah
> >> 
> >>> On Jul 9, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Would probably be best instead of a yes/no to do something like:
> >>> 
> >>> * 1 year
> >>> * 8 months
> >>> * 6 months 
> >>> * Less than 6 months, determined by a separate proposal
> >>> * No changes.
> >>> 
> >>> If "less than 6 months" is chosen, we can do a separate proposal with
> >>> 
> >>> * 3 months
> >>> * 1 months
> >>> * No changes. 
> >>> 
> >>> If "no changes" wins in either case, proposals such as this cannot be revisited for 6 months after the votes are counted.
> >>> 
> >>> Would you agree that this is a better way?
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> 
> >>> -Dan Q
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:09:30 +0100, Sebastian Makowiecki <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Was thinking 6-8 months. Eight seems fair.
> >>>> 
> >>>> ~
> >>>> Sebastian Makowiecki
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Mon, 9 Jul, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 6 months?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -Dan Q
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 21:52:12 +0100, Sebastian Makowiecki 
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> The idea is good, one year to much, 3 months to little, in my 
> >>>>>> opinion
> >>>>>> that is for what is worth.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ~
> >>>>>> Sebastian Makowiecki
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Rouben <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 1 year might be a bit too much... perhaps 1-3 months?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Rouben
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:29 PM Daniel Quintiliani 
> >>>>>> <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> There has been a problem of people trying to hold new votes too
> >>>>>>>> recently after their proposals lose. This includes Jonah's 
> >>>>>> proposals
> >>>>>>>> to replace IRC with Discord and Sympa with Discourse, and someone
> >>>>>>>> who lost I think the .front TLD, and I did so myself with the
> >>>>>>>> .free/.libre thing.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I propose there be a one year (365 day) waiting period before 
> >>>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>> can bring proposals back up for a new vote.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> -Dan Q
> >>>>>>>> 
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