Re: [opennic-discuss] [opinion] Corporate strategies yields corporate results

I think this is why we aren’t a 501(c)(3) yet, but I was just saying that forming such an organization was at one point voted on and ratified.

Jonah

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote:
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> A reminder about 501(c)3, since sometimes people mention it, OpenNIC will need a board of directors, including a treasurer, keeping of records, and all before you hire a tax attorney to apply for 501(c)3 status with the IRS (and they may refuse, or revoke 501(c)3 status from OpenNIC later on). 
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> Also, the elected board of directors (or donors with enough money to have filed itemized deductions) will have the final say, not the "voters"
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> -Dan Q
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> On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 20:01:50 -0500, Jonah Aragon <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Yes. In my opinion, OpenNIC’s purpose was to be a user-controlled alternative to ICANN. The problem with ICANN wasn’t the rules they implemented necessarily, but the opaque decision-making process behind them, and their clear money grabbing practices. Not to mention their status as a monopoly on the domain name system.
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>> Developing an actual organizational structure is our path to becoming a serious alternative to ICANN (as a related reminder, we did already vote to form a 501(c)(3) organization, although that hasn’t materialized as of yet). I know a lot of people here seem to be content with the status quo, but it’s time to get back to our original purpose of building a serious competitor.
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>> Our current setup can be achieved by anybody with a computer and 5 minutes to install BIND9. If OpenNIC is an organization in name only, if we aren’t willing to enact policies that will help us form a united cause against ICANN, why does OpenNIC need to exist at all? 
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>> Jonah
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>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> I've only been involved in OpenNIC since Prism-Break (2013 according to the mailing list archives), but to my knowledge OpenNIC was created to allow democratic, non-secret decision making as opposed to ICANN, right?
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>>> -Dan Q
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>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:36:57 -0500, kevin <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>> I've just been thinking about a problem with another community I'm
>>>> involved in and while working through possible solutions, I remembered
>>>> that corporate strategies yields corporate results.
>>>> 
>>>> As an original group of volunteerists, it's odd to look at the way
>>>> openNIC has progressed in some areas, especially for a group that I
>>>> believe wanted to get away from the bureaucracy that resulted in ICANN.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not opposed to voting for things as a way to maintain focus on
>>>> certain activities that will move a community forward, but when a vote
>>>> is about developing a bureaucratic and corporate structure, it really
>>>> doesn't make sense for a group of decentralized volunteerists.  In
>>>> fact, it can be highly detrimental to such a group activity.  A lot of
>>>> some of the more current "decisions" the group has voted on and the
>>>> direction of much of our documentation, especially as "rules" rather
>>>> than "guidelines", I wonder what the end result of openNIC might be, in
>>>> relation to ICANN.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyhow, I just wanted to put that out there and find if maybe there's
>>>> others active in the group who are thinking like I am, or if I'm really
>>>> just an outlier in the community.
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin
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