Re: [opennic-discuss] [PROPOSAL] No troll/attack votes

Uses of the word "misleading" and "sane" with regard to counting the votes implies I am engaging in deliberate fraud.

If you wish to have an actual proposal (to prevent future rounds of the vote, nullify the vote, and yea/nay for everything), you would include only that, and with no opinion or preface in the proposal. Had your proposal not include opinions and personal attacks, I would vote for it. The only reason I did the vote again was because other people complained about it. This being the exact thing my proposal was intended to stop.

No proposal to date has included someone's opinion on the situation in it, let alone one that makes allegations of unethical behavior. Opinions, including opinions regarding other members, are for the discussion threads, not the proposals.

Many in this thread suggested adopting a pre-written code of conduct, as we did with the Piwik privacy policy. I think that's a better idea myself. I invite someone to find one and propose it, rather than adopt individual issues such as "don't give opinions on people and their actions in proposals"

But personal opinions on other members, bad or good, and accusations against other members do not belong in proposals.

Tomorrow is the second round, and it is completely out of my hands, completely procedural. I am planning on, in a reply, voting for all options, in hopes that everyone else will vote for "No changes" only and everything being last place will be eliminated, with no changes and no more rounds of voting. I think that's the most peaceful solution. But regardless, personal attacks, accusations, and opinions on other members good or bad do not belong in proposals.

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-Dan Q


On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:48:41 -0500, Jonah Aragon <[email protected]> wrote:

> This proposal is ridiculously broad, and honestly hypocritical. The language in my proposal you mention was specifically chosen to communicate which discussion thread (yours) I was talking about and wished to invalidate, and that goal was accomplished. 
> 
> You creating this thread, calling me a troll, and accusing me of personally attacking your character, rather than my true intent of raising issue with the way you managed your last proposal specifically, is exactly the behavior you ostensibly wish to prevent in the future with this discussion. It’s very hard to take any of this seriously when you take part in the very actions you accuse me of taking. 
> 
> Jonah
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> > On Jul 31, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Daniel Quintiliani <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > OpenNIC proposals should not be used to target specific members and give opinions about their character or actions. Jonah's upcoming proposal to invalidate the ongoing vote (which I have no control over, and would stop if I could) makes references to "Daniel Q." along with the phrase "sane recount" and accusations of myself engaging in "misleading" behavior.
> > 
> > These defamatory "troll votes" have no place in OpenNIC and if that first paragraph is included as is, the whole purpose of the vote becomes a personal attack on me and accusation of me engaging in fraudulent, potentially illegal activity.
> > 
> > This is my proposal, yea/nay, which will be put up to vote on 8/7/2018:
> > 
> > OpenNIC proposals shall not contain, in full or in part, language which:
> > 
> > * Praises an OpenNIC member on basis of their character or actions,
> > * Condemns an OpenNIC member on basis of their character or actions,
> > * Makes allegations of unethical or illegal activity by an OpenNIC member, unless confirmed by a court of law, and/or
> > * Criticizes or comments on a proposal or vote, past or present, valid or invalid, in which an OpenNIC member is criticized on basis of their character or actions.
> > 
> > The proposal shall take effect immediately after passing.
> > 
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> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
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