Re: [opennic-discuss] [PROPOSAL] Require voting in English

On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:13:07 -0400 (EDT)
"Daniel Quintiliani" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Again, I have no problem with discussion in any language,
> but why should we have proposals and votes which only a
> select few from the DE list can read?

I totally agree with that.

However, regarding the title of this thread I'm not
really sure that's the issue at the moment. Voting
is generally the equivalent of a check mark and has
no "language" per se.

Also, a spoiled ballot is a spoiled ballot and there
is no actual language for that. I guess though, that
we could discuss how we deal with those.

~ Ole


> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 00:29:11 +0100, Sebastian Makowiecki
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Seems more like an opportunity more than 'a risk'. If
> > there's enough participants an alternative regionalized
> > lists may allow people who lack the ability to express
> > their thoughts in English to participate. On a second
> > thought we might be at risk of widening our reach than.
> > 
> > The English speaking list will remain the 'core'
> > channel of communication where all the important
> > 'spaghetti-talk' takes place.
> > 
> > ~ 
> > Sebastian Makowiecki
> > 
> > On 8 August 2018 19:54:42 GMT+01:00, Daniel Quintiliani
> > <[email protected]> wrote:  
> > >But then there's the risk of having e.g.
> > >"[email protected]" form eventually.
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >-Dan Q
> > >
> > >On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:04:34 -0500, Jonah Aragon
> > ><[email protected]> wrote:
> > >  
> > >> You’re coming to the same conclusion as me, just via
> > >> a different  
> > >route. I don’t care what language people communicate
> > >in unofficially or off the record, I’m merely saying
> > >that all communication on official channels (i.e.
> > >proposals and votes, here on the mailing list)
> > >absolutely need to be conducted in English.  
> > >> 
> > >> Jonah
> > >>   
> > >> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Daniel Quintiliani
> > >> > <[email protected]>  
> > >wrote:  
> > >> > 
> > >> > I think that's a really bad idea, people should be
> > >> > allowed to  
> > >communicate in whatever language they want. It's just
> > >the proposals and votes that should be in English, and
> > >when I come up with the proposal for this, the text
> > >would be limited to proposals and votes.  
> > >> > 
> > >> > Spilling over into your "yea/nay for the whole
> > >> > package only"  
> > >proposal thread, perhaps looking at a situation like
> > >this (English for proposals,votes,discussions) can
> > >encourage the same line-item yea/nay which
> > >successfully standardized our voting and discussion
> > >policies?  
> > >> > 
> > >> > For example, the ongoing vote on invalidating the
> > >> > previous  
> > >contested vote originally included Jonah's
> > >not-so-popular rushed-in addon. This is too often how
> > >US Congress works (think how REAL ID was unpopular
> > >until it passed as an addon to the Hurricane Katrina
> > >emergency funding bill). Limiting ourselves to this is
> > >a bad idea, especially given our past successes with
> > >line-item yea/nay.  
> > >> > 
> > >> > --
> > >> > 
> > >> > -Dan Q
> > >> > 
> > >> > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 19:59:53 -0500, Jonah Aragon
> > >> > <[email protected]>  
> > >wrote:  
> > >> >   
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> That being said, this proposal should require
> > >> >> that not only votes,  
> > >but all discussion on this list be in English. This is
> > >an English speaking community, and it should be
> > >required on all official communication to prevent
> > >confusion.  
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Jonah  
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
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