Re: [opennic-discuss] Thoughts on Code of Conduct (and lack thereof)

I agree.  You can't regulate people's attitudes and behaviour. 
Additionally, even those codes of conduct have an unnecessary amount of 
fluff.  I can write a better one.

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That should cover pretty much all bases.  I'm not saying this is the way 
forward, just that there are better options if we do want to go this route.

--Verax
	

[email protected] wrote:
> I suspect that Gentoo and Arch also have more
> than eleven people involved.
> 
> Sure, their guidelines may be well written and
> even suitable here, but the fact remains that
> we're just a small handful of people. If we
> can't  communicate in a workable manner, then
> there is something else wrong that no amount of
> rules will ever fix.
> 
> ~ Ole
> 
> 
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:25:54 -0400
> Rouben <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I’d have to agree with Amunak, especially this part:
>> “There is nothing wrong about having a set of rules or
>> recommendations [I would say “guidelines”] on how to
>> write to the mailing list, how to behave and how to be
>> nice to others, even if it's not actually really
>> enforced. It still helps give some moral code that should
>> be common to all members.”
>>
>> And if some people are worried about bureaucratic fluff,
>> check out Gentoo’s or Arch’s codes of conduct. Polar
>> opposite to Ubuntu’s version 2.0 code of conduct, which
>> is very “fluffy”. Gentoo and Arch keep it down to earth
>> and practical.
>>
>> While I appreciate the “wild west/IRC” approach to
>> things, I also remember how having to GPG sign Ubuntu’s
>> code of conduct on Launchpad a number of years back made
>> quite the impression on me, and on a number of occasions
>> made me reflect on what I was about to do or post.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 14:32 Amunak <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to point out the irony in your statement
>>> when you say this:
>>>
>>> On 2018-08-09 08:47, Verax wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with this sentiment.  Codes of conduct have a
>>> deservedly bad reputation as bureaucratic fluff that
>>> caters to people who make a hobby of warping those
>>> things to suit their aims.  We do not need one.
>>>
>>>
>>> ...while we currently have an ongoing *vote* to
>>> implement what is, essentially, a code of conduct for
>>> proposals, at least as far as criticizing OpenNIC
>>> members in proposal goes.
>>>
>>> There is nothing wrong about having a set of rules or
>>> recommendations on how to write to the mailing list,
>>> how to behave and how to be nice to others, even if
>>> it's not actually really enforced. It still helps give
>>> some moral code that should be common to all members.
>>>
>>> What I don't like when is when it becomes official
>>> rules that have to be followed to the letter and when
>>> it makes some people police others (which is what the
>>> current vote is, IMO, doing).
>>>
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