[quagga-users 14789] Re: FRR or Quagga

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Alexis Rosen wrote:

> We're pretty heavily invested in Quagga, and unfortunately, it has had 
> some serious issues over the last few releases that have not been 
> addressed. Most obviously, the BGP issue that has been reported time 
> and time again in this list, that appeared after 0.99.24.1, stands to 
> this day in 1.2.1. I would not at this time be willing to risk a new 
> deployment on the current release.

It's likely an FRRers bug, annoyingly. Also, whichever commit it is, 
probably easily reversable / not important.

If you can trigger it reliably, please step through the commits and 
identify the breaking one. The bug report already lists one suspect 
commit ID.

> I'm also very concerned that there is no future in Quagga because all 
> the developer momentum

Well, those who are concerned should then try avoid that future, by 
working on Quagga, if they can. The only conditions are:

- The project must serve a wide range of interests, and be resistant to
   capture (e.g. by well resourced interests, who can pay off other
   participants).

   To my thinking, that means the top-level/last-resort governance must
   be by consensus, weighted towards some longer-standing interests (the
   latter is something that is normal in almost every social system I can
   think of that has any degree of order). Even if day-day matters are
   handled by other means, such as technical commitees. Benevolent
   dictator works for some other projects, but it's hard to reliably
   replicate.

   If people have better ideas, they are free to /persuade/ others
   involved of the merit of them.

- The project must be conservative about legal risks, and do its best to
   serve the interests of _ALL_ copyright holders.

- People should deal with each other fairly and straight-forwardly.

   §2.7.5 of the ZeroMQ 4C has some very good language on this:

     https://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/

Anyone who wants to work on Quagga on those terms will be welcomed and 
given whatever access they need.

regards,
-- 
Paul Jakma | [email protected] | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
Fortune:
If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work
it's physics.

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