Re: Digest Number 794

Hi Pino,

First my apologies. I didn't realize that we needed to ask permissions
to use NewsIsFree channels. 

As for reading your terms and policies, I certainly did that before we
started polling your feeds. I just went and reread your terms and I see
a section where you do require a permission. I doubt that I missed it
the first time, but it's possible, or did you add this recently?

It's certainly our intention to only carry content that we have
permission for. So let's move this discussion offline where we can
discuss the details.

Regards,


Dror



On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:53:33AM -0000, Pino Calzo wrote:
> I find it even more ironic to find NewsIsFree-generated Sources within 
> fastbuzz and i don't remember being asked or having given a permission to 
> do so. Syndic8 and Daypop have done this. Dror - would ask you to read 
> policies, too.
> 
> Regards
> Pino Calzo
> 
> 
> ------------- Original message follows -------------
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> There are 2 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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>       1. Yahoo groups rss blocking since 01/13/2004
>            From: "dror" <[email protected]>
>       2. Re: Yahoo groups rss blocking since 01/13/2004
>            From: Jeremy Zawodny <[email protected]>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:32:47 -0000
>    From: "dror" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Yahoo groups rss blocking since 01/13/2004
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> There's plenty of irony in here. 
> 
> We at fastbuzz.com provide an online aggregator and search engine. We
> have hundreds of users and so poll many thousands of channels.
> 
> Yahoo started blocking us yesterday from polling Yahoo group rss
> feeds. It looks like they have some threshold, (around 400?) of the
> number of groups that they will let you poll in a day. 
> 
> I couldn't find anywhere either on
> http://news.yahoo.com/rss/
> or on
> http://groups.yahoo.com/
> about what the policy is with regard to their rss feeds and polling.
> 
> This is a similar problem that we've seen with slashdot about a month
> ago. Slashdot at least had a stated policy on what their requirement
> was. They didn't want you to poll more than every hour. The cluless
> part of their policy was that they this requirement was for *all*
> channels. So if you subscribed to all 12 channels you had to do it
> over a period of 12 hours.
> 
> I can understand that the publishers want to make sure that their
> resources don't get abused. But we're actually making their lives
> easier. Instead of having a lot of desktop applications go and fetch
> the same feeds again and again, we do it in one centralized place, and
> then the readers come to our site. 
> 
> So if anyone has any clarifcations on Yahoo's policies on this, or can
> point me to a URL about this, or even better get us unblocked, I'd be
> greatful.
> 
> As for the irony:
> This *is* a yahoo group, which means that I won't be able to see the
> responses in my aggregator.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dror
> 
> --
> Dror Matalon
> Zapatec Inc
> 1700 MLK Way
> Berkeley, CA 94709
> http://www.fastbuzz.com
> http://www.zapatec.com
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Message: 2
>    Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:54:59 -0800
>    From: Jeremy Zawodny <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Yahoo groups rss blocking since 01/13/2004
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:32:47PM -0000, dror wrote:
> > 
> > So if anyone has any clarifcations on Yahoo's policies on this, or can
> > point me to a URL about this, or even better get us unblocked, I'd be
> > greatful.
> 
> I can probably help track this down.  Ping me off-list at
> jzawodn-ZXvpkYn067l8UrSeD/[email protected] with some extra info, including:
> 
>   1. dates/times of when blocking started
> 
>   2. ip address(es) you're coming from
> 
>   3. frequency of polling
> 
>   4. a sample of the URLs you're attempting to fetch
> 
> Jeremy
> -- 
> Jeremy D. Zawodny     |  Perl, Web, MySQL, Linux Magazine, Yahoo!
> <Jeremy-LaWf/[email protected]>  |  http://jeremy.zawodny.com/
> 
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