Re: Efficient Syndication

Dear Mr. Gallagher,
 
I spend much of my time researching on Google and websites seeking answers to most of the questions you have presented. Although the responses have been a bit curt, I will try and do a little better.  I am in the same boat I expect.
 
One of the best resources I found recently that helped me clarify much confusion and enlighted me as well is found here:  http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/incompatible-rss.  Mark Pilgrim is known and connected by peers to this group and whether he is respected and considered  "correct" in his analysis I first thought I would ask, but also feared a negative backlash as he does appear to entirely perceive the work done by this group in the same light.
 
However, Mark Pilgrim has the background and experience to have some good words to share and it is worth a read.
 
Assuming that Mark Pilgrim is totally correct or even mostly correct, it narrows the search for tools and also defines the type of RSS you are planning to use for your project. As the article points out, there has been 9 incompatible version of RSS and in selecting which version you intend to use is a very improtant first step.  I believe that in reading much of what you see in the RSS-Dev is that it is not always known which version the discussion pertains to as well as the purpose clearly as to how it is to be applied.  
 
I expect group dynamics to keep things moving forward or at least perceive it to be moving forward is of some issue here. Asking your questions is appropriate but prefacing them differently might garner better repsonses.
 
As for helping a comrad discover deeper meaning regarding the locating of proper tools, RSS development guides, content storage and management of RSS 'feeds", these are all topics of importance for those of us which are building from the ground floor.  I am only going to use RSS 1.0 plus modules or extensions as RDF is of major importance to my projects.  My questions for RSS then become RDF questions, not just XML or text files or flat files.   While other s may question this statement as to why, I can only reply it is by project design to build and integrate RSS as part of a larger RDF model/object.  
 
Option 1 to consider is a choice I am making. My storage/query/parsing and so forth is using Redland(open ource) and Raptor, a full model RDF application framework for RDF built by David Beckett at the Institute for Learning and Research Technology, University of Bristol, UK. This is a mature framework and has APIs provided for all platforms and languages. See http://librdf.org/ and the Redland RSS validator and viewer can be found here http://librdf.org/rss/.  The Redland RSS model can be found here  http://librdf.org/docs/pod/RDF/Redland/RSS.html.  The RDf parser Raptor canbe found here http://librdf.org/raptor/ . Dave Beckett also maintains the most extensive links page as a resource guide found here http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/rdf/resources/ that can be found on the Internet regarding RDF and you can also find out the important accomplishments of Beckett here http://www.ilrt
 .bristol.ac.uk/people/cmdjb/.
 
 
Option 2: My Content Management Framework is Zope's CMF, also open open source. Zope CMF can aggregate and parse most versions of RSS and delivers RSS 1.0 to the screen.
 Hope this helps and you find it enlightening. No offense intended to anyone in this group. I feel this group does good work. But I agree with you as well matching questions with resources and finding tools to use RSS with so many versions and because it is and has been a viable money making service for so many years, that many sites keep their secrets to remain in business.  The face of the syndication business model is changing.
 
I am looking for tools as well a solutions. Hopes this helps.
 
Regards
 


Clinton Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:

I've been observing much discussion about the efficiencies of syndicating
content and while I'm starting to feel comfortable with what I believe is a
good understanding of the big picture there continues to be scant
information in several critical contexts for me to refer to that document
the methodologies that if I -- or any others -- were to adopt could
effectively change on a broader and more timely basis the efficiencies and
quality concerns that continue to persist.

For the time being and without further information available to me as a
developer with growing skills and interest in syndication I am compelled to
conclude that until there is sufficient information made known regarding how
to explicitly accomplish the technical goals we would all like to achieve
the compromise of efficient operations and poor quality will persist. Using
myself as an example I ask how could I possible know how to resolve what I
don't yet know?

It is not sufficient for those who already understand how to do so to point
to others and assert "he's a programmer and he's supposed to know how to do
this stuff."



Cecelia Hickel
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