RE: Renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF
<[email protected]> Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:01:46 -0600
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---aKbJgyIwzgyQK1FC-bD3s4P10Fk-DfW9fM2QD7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If renaming becomes a reality, I would suggest that the new name should NOT have an embedded dash in the name (e.g., RSSRDF, RSSrdf or rssrdf instead of RSS-RDF). -Gary Berosik ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rcade Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RSS-DEV] Renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF The existence of two similar but incompatible formats that call themselves RSS is a persistent problem for everyone who supports these formats, whether they're involved in RSS 1.0 or RSS 2.0. As RSS adoption has grown, RSS 2.0 has built a huge lead on RSS 1.0, from the looks of the version stats published at Syndic8. Here's the numbers, based on today's page and pages archived by the Internet Archive: Today: RSS 2.0 76.3%, RSS 1.0 11.3% Feb. 2006: RSS 2.0 68.3%, RSS 1.0 17.6% March 2005: RSS 2.0 62.1%, RSS 1.0 16.5% December 2004: RSS 2.0 49.2%, RSS 1.0 20.6% April 2004: RSS 2.0 24.6%, RSS 1.0 47.3% We can debate the reasons why, but my guess is that the higher version number is as much a factor as anything else. I anticipate that RSS 2.0 will continue to grow relative to RSS 1.0 because of Microsoft's choice to normalize to RSS 2.0 in Windows Vista and MSIE. When RSS 1.0 was launched, a vote to change the name to xRSS almost had majority support here -- the final result was 11 yes, 11 no: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=368260 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=368260> I'm probably getting myself into trouble by asking this, but is there any support for renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF, either through a simple name change or a more involved process? Although I'm on the RSS Advisory Board, I think that the three syndication formats each has a strong selling point: - RSS 2.0 is simple, loose and popular - Atom is an Internet standard that's more adaptable to uses outside site syndication - RSS 1.0 builds on RDF I'm not a member of the RSS-DEV Working Group, but I'd like to urge you to consider renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF. The name change would highlight the format's implementation of RDF and give the rival RSSes some breathing room. On a personal note, it would also make it considerably easier for me to describe your format in various things I write for the RSS board. It's tough for me to say anything about RSS 1.0 on our site because of the potential for newbie confusion. People assume it's a previous iteration of RSS 2.0, not a different format that shares a common ancestor. I've e-mailed the authors of the RSS 1.0 spec to see if there's an opportunity here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---aKbJgyIwzgyQK1FC-bD3s4P10Fk-DfW9fM2QD7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <!-- Network content --> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 490px; padding: 0 15px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text"> <p>If renaming becomes a reality, I would suggest that the new name should<br> NOT have an embedded dash in the name (e.g., RSSRDF, RSSrdf or rssrdf<br> instead of RSS-RDF).<br> <br> -Gary Berosik<br> <br> ____________<wbr>_________<wbr>_________<wbr>__<br> <br> From: <a href="mailto:rss-dev%40yahoogroups.com">rss-dev@yahoogroups<wbr>.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rss-dev%40yahoogroups.com">rss-dev@yahoogroups<wbr>.com</a>] On Behalf<br> Of rcade<br> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:32 PM<br> To: <a href="mailto:rss-dev%40yahoogroups.com">rss-dev@yahoogroups<wbr>.com</a><br> Subject: [RSS-DEV] Renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF<br> <br> The existence of two similar but incompatible formats that call<br> themselves RSS is a persistent problem for everyone who supports these<br> formats, whether they're involved in RSS 1.0 or RSS 2.0.<br> <br> As RSS adoption has grown, RSS 2.0 has built a huge lead on RSS 1.0,<br> from the looks of the version stats published at Syndic8. Here's the<br> numbers, based on today's page and pages archived by the Internet<br> Archive:<br> <br> Today: RSS 2.0 76.3%, RSS 1.0 11.3%<br> <br> Feb. 2006: RSS 2.0 68.3%, RSS 1.0 17.6%<br> <br> March 2005: RSS 2.0 62.1%, RSS 1.0 16.5%<br> <br> December 2004: RSS 2.0 49.2%, RSS 1.0 20.6%<br> <br> April 2004: RSS 2.0 24.6%, RSS 1.0 47.3%<br> <br> We can debate the reasons why, but my guess is that the higher version<br> number is as much a factor as anything else. I anticipate that RSS 2.0<br> will continue to grow relative to RSS 1.0 because of Microsoft's<br> choice to normalize to RSS 2.0 in Windows Vista and MSIE.<br> <br> When RSS 1.0 was launched, a vote to change the name to xRSS almost<br> had majority support here -- the final result was 11 yes, 11 no:<br> <br> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=368260">http://tech.<wbr>groups.yahoo.<wbr>com/group/<wbr>rss-dev/surveys?<wbr>id=368260</a><br> <<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=368260">http://tech.<wbr>groups.yahoo.<wbr>com/group/<wbr>rss-dev/surveys?<wbr>id=368260</a>> <br> <br> I'm probably getting myself into trouble by asking this, but is there<br> any support for renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF, either through a simple<br> name change or a more involved process?<br> <br> Although I'm on the RSS Advisory Board, I think that the three<br> syndication formats each has a strong selling point:<br> <br> - RSS 2.0 is simple, loose and popular<br> <br> - Atom is an Internet standard that's more adaptable to uses outside<br> site syndication<br> <br> - RSS 1.0 builds on RDF<br> <br> I'm not a member of the RSS-DEV Working Group, but I'd like to urge<br> you to consider renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF. The name change would<br> highlight the format's implementation of RDF and give the rival RSSes<br> some breathing room.<br> <br> On a personal note, it would also make it considerably easier for me<br> to describe your format in various things I write for the RSS board.<br> It's tough for me to say anything about RSS 1.0 on our site because of<br> the potential for newbie confusion. People assume it's a previous<br> iteration of RSS 2.0, not a different format that shares a common<br> ancestor.<br> <br> I've e-mailed the authors of the RSS 1.0 spec to see if there's an<br> opportunity here.<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width="1" style="color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar"> <span class="left"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/message/7389;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bGk5am9vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBG1zZ0lkAzczOTUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTY1OTQzMDAzBHRwY0lkAzczODk-"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld">7</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMDVndGdlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBG1zZ0lkAzczOTUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTY1OTQzMDAz?act=reply&messageNum=7395"> <span class="bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcnNwdDRvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE2NTk0MzAwMw--" class="bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZDhpM3J0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTE2NTk0MzAwMw--">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOWpwdHNlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzExNjU5NDMwMDM-">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOTBzcmlwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE2NTk0MzAwMw--">Members</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- Do not have place to put it yet --> <div id="ygrp-grft"> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNzZobDdwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMTY1OTQzMDAz"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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